Porsche Mission E

[ecarfan]

Porsche Announces BEV Concept Car - "Mission E"

I am glad Porsche has committed to build a long range EV sports car that will -- supposedly -- be available to buy in 2020, 12 years after the Tesla Roadster went on sale.
And before 2020 Tesla will probably launch the next Roadster, which I predict will be significantly cheaper than the Porsche Mission E and will be able to use the by then ubiquitous Supercharger network. I doubt Porsche will have a comparable fast charging network in place anywhere outside of Germany. In Germany, they will want the German government to build it for them and the government will do a poor job of it.

 

[Vuvision]

Tesla has been a bit arrogant as late knowing they are the only game in town. Great to hear Porsche is jumping into the BEV market giving Tesla the run for their money.

The Porsche BEV concept is one beautiful car, and knowing Porsche, the interior will be top notch craftsmanship. Can't wait to see the production version.

 

[wart]

Car and Driver update on the Mission E being approved.

Like Vuvision and others I welcome the competition. I hope the VW emissions scandal doesn't draw too many resources away from their electrification projects.

But looking at the proposed specs for the Mission E - I can't help thinking that Porsche is skating to where the puck is now, not where it's going to be 5 years from now.

 

[Chris TX]

The first 100% electrically powered Porsche is on its way. It will be launched at the end of the decade. The supervisory board of the Porsche AG today gave the green light for the Mission E project.

Green light for Porsche Mission E

The first Porsche was a 100% electrically powered Porsche. They are finally getting back to their roots and it's amazing to see.

 

[wws]

The first Porsche was a 100% electrically powered Porsche. They are finally getting back to their roots and it's amazing to see.

Yes - the 1900 Lohner-Porsche. Believe it or not, it even had a switch for regenerating power when going down hills. Almost 4000 lbs of batteries...

I've read that Porsche has modeled the Mission E to lap the Nurburgring in under 8 min. Isn't the best Tesla time so far just a little over 9 min? If Porsche can pull that off, they will have some decent bragging rights.

BTW, another contemporary auto manufacturer that can claim they made EVs 100+ years ago is GM. Their GMC truck division made electric delivery trucks back in the 1910s. It is even a more direct connection than Porsche can claim - as the current Porsche company was started by Ferry Porsche, Ferdinands son, in 1948ish.

 

[wayner]

The performance numbers don't look very impressive compared to the 2014 Model S P85D, never mind the 2015 Ludicrous and who knows how much better the Model S will be in five years. We will likely be into a completely new Model S by then, plus the Model 3 and next generation Maximum Plaid Raodster.

 

[lolachampcar]

Yes but there will likely still be people that would rather buy a Porsche than a Tesla. Porsche moving to BeV brings more people to the party and that should be a good thing.

 

[ecarfan]

Agreed, and if Porsche builds an excellent long range EV it will start the company down the path towards full electrification and show Porsche fans that EVs are viable. My concern is that a "911 EV" will be an even more costly car than their 911 ICE and will be viewed as an exercise in technological virtuosity by the company (which certainly has the skill and knowledge to build such a vehicle) and not as a fundamentally better car.

 

[wayner]

I agree that it is a good thing as it will also push Tesla to realize that they are in the luxury space and they need to think about that when designing the interior which hasn't alias been as luxe as other cars in thee segment.

They seem to be getting that message recently with the Nextgen seats, ventilated seats in the MX, etc. The original MS seats were, IMHO, weak for a C$120k+ car.

 

[jerry33]

When there is a real car you can order, that's one thing. Until then, it's just another announcement to keep people from jumping ship.

 

[wayner]

When there is a real car you can order, that's one thing. Until then, it's just another announcement to keep people from jumping ship.

So it is kind of like the Model X:smile:

 

[jerry33]

So it is kind of like the Model X:smile:

LOL but you can order the Model X, and there are some real cars in customers hands.

 

[lolachampcar]

Yep. I saw founders series ViN 3 in the wild. It was much better looking then the pictures and that glass going all the way back to the rear doors was interesting.

 

[mspohr]

When there is a real car you can order, that's one thing. Until then, it's just another announcement to keep people from jumping ship.

And since it doesn't exist it can have incredible specs. Fastest, most wonderful everything.

 

[Oba]

I doubt Porsche will have a comparable fast charging network in place anywhere outside of Germany. In Germany, they will want the German government to build it for them and the government will do a poor job of it.

Don't discount the German car makers ability to influence EU regulations and law. It only takes a few little words added in the right place to make the Tesla Superchargers illegal. They tried desperately to do that with CHAdeMO.

With no real competition, it won't matter how good or bad it is.

In addition, I highly doubt that this new 150kW charger will be compatible with anything else, regardless of what name they use.

 

[wayner]

LOL but you can order the Model X, and there are some real cars in customers hands.

I don't think I can order one yet as I am in Canada and I think only Americans can order as of now.

 

[Rama]

Weekly Recap: Porsche embarks on Mission E

mission E green lit for production. Coming in 2020. Will need to be amazing to complete with 2nd gen model S.

 

[tftf]

Weekly Recap: Porsche embarks on Mission E

mission E green lit for production. Coming in 2020. Will need to be amazing to complete with 2nd gen model S.

I think this Porsche is still more a sports car, it won't directly compete with the Model S. Maybe a future Panamera in EV or longer-range PHEV configurations will.

I think future rumored offerings from BMW (i5?) or future Daimler EVs will more directly compete with the S. Audi (and VW) will also introduce larger EV sedans.

 

[Yggdrasill]

I agree the Mission E won't compete with the Model S. It will probably be a lot more expensive and have a lot less utility. I think it will be closer to the Mercedes SLS AMG Electric Drive, only with a bit more utility, a bit lower priced and produced in much greater volume.

 

[wayner]

I think this Porsche is still more a sports car, it won't directly compete with the Model S. Maybe a future Panamera in EV or longer-range PHEV configurations will.

It may be a sports car but I would be able to embarrass it off the line with my "less sporty" 2014 P85D, given the specs mentioned in the press release.