Exactly, the problem is that they started shipping new features without announcing them. This caused a lot of happy/surprised customers but also a lot of pissed new Tesla owners. Every other company first announces their new products and then starts shipping them. Tesla did it the other way around.
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Petition to force Tesla to come up with a retrofit for AutoPilot
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Exactly, the problem is that they started shipping new features without announcing them. This caused a lot of happy/surprised customers but also a lot of pissed new Tesla owners. Every other company first announces their new products and then starts shipping them. Tesla did it the other way around.
I can see both points of view on this issue.
However, I wonder what people's reaction would be if Tesla unveiled the D as a separate model
Model S owners would not be able to complain about getting the new features since it is a different model (or are we going to see the same outcry when the Model E is released with all new features? ).
No, I will not sign the petition even though my model S is only 6 months old. I'm glad Tesla keeps innovating.
However, I wonder what people's reaction would be if Tesla unveiled the D as a separate model
Model S owners would not be able to complain about getting the new features since it is a different model (or are we going to see the same outcry when the Model E is released with all new features? ).
No, I will not sign the petition even though my model S is only 6 months old. I'm glad Tesla keeps innovating.
I think Tesla should get ahead of this mess by announcing a transparent and fair schedule for "upgrading" to a new car consisting in an "acquisition fee" and a depreciation schedule for miles driven and time in use. Of course this would imply the car is pristine and not been in any accident. The sooner they do this the better. They should nip this in the bud and turn this around by turning unhappy customers into new sales.
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I'm not signing the petition. I don't want to force or try to force Telsa to do anything.
If the D wasn't announced until the X shipped the people today would not be complaining. Of course those that took delivery then; would be complaining. Tesla is smart, very smart. They most likely expected this objection from some people along with the praise and the change in ordering from +'s to D's.
New bumpers, new quarterpanel sheet metal, new windshield? I am a bit surprised that Tesla is not proactively adding or preparing the sheet metal and bumpers with removal plugs or small removable panels. If they know R&D is working on new features and they know somewhat when the new stuff will be on cars or available, why aren't we hearing that harnesses, metal, glass is being configured differently to allow for retrofitting after the other cars are being delivered with the same? We went through this with Parking Sensors and Folding Mirrors. It's not hard to predict something as compelling as autopilot is going to generate alot of request for retrofit on 1 week old, 1 month old and even 1 year old cars. While it's not practical to project 1 year in advance, it is easy to project 1 month or two or four maybe six in advance.
The main difference between a car compatible with folding mirrors and not, is the harness. Cars a year old should have been prepped with the extra leads in the mirror harness to allow the swap of the switch. When the biggest expense is replacing the harness, it should be a non issue. So it also applies to things like harnesses for autopilot sensors. The biggest expense then would be popping the plugs out and paying for the sensors as they are added.
I'm just suggesting that Tesla be more forward looking regarding retrofitting as they build and buy hardware. I'd rather pay a bit more for a wiring harness with extra plugs and not use them than IF I wanted that feature have to remove/replace a wiring harness later. The number of people interested in a retrofit can be predicted by number-crunchers and adjust the price to spread it out over all cars being build. Nearly always, labor is the biggest cost in retrofits where something has to be removed and replaced. We can avoid the replace part if we plan ahead and prepare for the proability of a retrofit request.
Okay, who can I write at Tesla about this? Someone PM me Jerome and J.B. email, please. I'll be discreet.
If the D wasn't announced until the X shipped the people today would not be complaining. Of course those that took delivery then; would be complaining. Tesla is smart, very smart. They most likely expected this objection from some people along with the praise and the change in ordering from +'s to D's.
New bumpers, new quarterpanel sheet metal, new windshield? I am a bit surprised that Tesla is not proactively adding or preparing the sheet metal and bumpers with removal plugs or small removable panels. If they know R&D is working on new features and they know somewhat when the new stuff will be on cars or available, why aren't we hearing that harnesses, metal, glass is being configured differently to allow for retrofitting after the other cars are being delivered with the same? We went through this with Parking Sensors and Folding Mirrors. It's not hard to predict something as compelling as autopilot is going to generate alot of request for retrofit on 1 week old, 1 month old and even 1 year old cars. While it's not practical to project 1 year in advance, it is easy to project 1 month or two or four maybe six in advance.
The main difference between a car compatible with folding mirrors and not, is the harness. Cars a year old should have been prepped with the extra leads in the mirror harness to allow the swap of the switch. When the biggest expense is replacing the harness, it should be a non issue. So it also applies to things like harnesses for autopilot sensors. The biggest expense then would be popping the plugs out and paying for the sensors as they are added.
I'm just suggesting that Tesla be more forward looking regarding retrofitting as they build and buy hardware. I'd rather pay a bit more for a wiring harness with extra plugs and not use them than IF I wanted that feature have to remove/replace a wiring harness later. The number of people interested in a retrofit can be predicted by number-crunchers and adjust the price to spread it out over all cars being build. Nearly always, labor is the biggest cost in retrofits where something has to be removed and replaced. We can avoid the replace part if we plan ahead and prepare for the proability of a retrofit request.
Okay, who can I write at Tesla about this? Someone PM me Jerome and J.B. email, please. I'll be discreet.
The rest of the car manufacturers do not always wait until a new model year to introduce significant product updates. For example, I bought a 2000 VW Passat new, and VW then came out with a model year 2000.5 Passat.
More generally, Tesla cannot afford to operate on the slow (annual) product improvement cycle that is the norm in the auto business. They are trying to establish themselves in a business where almost every new American car company that has tried over the last several decades failed.
Right. There's no really good solution for this problem. If you have a traditional model year model, the Osborne effect happens every fourth quarter. You get around this by coming out with next year's model earlier and earlier which leads to having a 2016 car actually delivered in 2014 in the most extreme case. If you don't have a traditional model year, then people can miss by a day, which causes a lot of grief. I suppose that you could contact each affected person, have them sign an NDA and offer them a chance at the new model, but it wouldn't prevent the ones that didn't sign from reporting that "something is up".
But it's also OK to push back (politely) on that subset of the community and say, "chill, dude/dudette! Tesla's a different beast; no model years; there's good and bad with that." Push back *also* helps these emotions subside, as the people voicing them start to consider alternate points of view.
Just a week or two or three after I took delivery on my fully loaded (at that time) P85+: parking sensors, subzero package, powered folding mirrors; all things I'd've loved to have had. One could argue that my P85+ dipped in value as soon as the new definition of "fully loaded" became available. C'est la vie.
Here's an opportunity in my opinion: a car subscription! Upgrade me annually to the latest beast. Charge me monthly whatever fee is appropriate. Let me forget I ever hassled over car purchasing and (especially) car selling / trading-in. Maybe the fee varies depending on car configuration, annual/bi-annual/tri-annual upgrade, phase of the moon, etc. I'm not sure which is the greatest impediment for me when considering replacing my P85+ with a P85D: cost delta, depreciation hit on the P85+, the prospect of hassling with a private sale of the P85+ so I recapture more dollars, the prospect of having invested in OptiCoat, Xpel, winter wheels & tires and babying the car only to see most of that investment valued at near-zero. The Tesla buying experience is the easiest and most joyful one I've ever had, but that doesn't mean I look forward to doing another car buy/sell round.
Alan
Just a week or two or three after I took delivery on my fully loaded (at that time) P85+: parking sensors, subzero package, powered folding mirrors; all things I'd've loved to have had. One could argue that my P85+ dipped in value as soon as the new definition of "fully loaded" became available. C'est la vie.
Here's an opportunity in my opinion: a car subscription! Upgrade me annually to the latest beast. Charge me monthly whatever fee is appropriate. Let me forget I ever hassled over car purchasing and (especially) car selling / trading-in. Maybe the fee varies depending on car configuration, annual/bi-annual/tri-annual upgrade, phase of the moon, etc. I'm not sure which is the greatest impediment for me when considering replacing my P85+ with a P85D: cost delta, depreciation hit on the P85+, the prospect of hassling with a private sale of the P85+ so I recapture more dollars, the prospect of having invested in OptiCoat, Xpel, winter wheels & tires and babying the car only to see most of that investment valued at near-zero. The Tesla buying experience is the easiest and most joyful one I've ever had, but that doesn't mean I look forward to doing another car buy/sell round.
Alan
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I will not sign this rubbish. Are they out of their minds ? The fudsters are already picking it up. Your petition is bashing our already downbeaten stock. Go away. Get into Your Model S´s and drive the highway for a mile or hundred. Perhaps the nebulae on Your minds will clear then. Be glad you could afford the car. Many of us would give a lot to have it...
Point of clarification, Supercharing isn't free, you payed for that with the purchase of the car, or if you have a 60kWh and added it.
That's exactly what's wrong with most of the comments on this thread - they don't even get the problem, but are very fast at calling other members names. Just see my previous comments on this and other threads, do not feel like explaining everything over again.
First: not signing the petition. Not that I for a moment think Tesla gives (or should give) two s--ts about it, but also because it's an innovating company and any incentive for it to stop coming up with new innovations at any point is just a bad idea.
Second: that said, in case Tesla is listening, the autopilot feature made my mouth water and if there was a way (although I agree with others that it seems impossible) to retrofit it on my car (December 2012) for a fee somewhere in the four figures, I would do it. I was lucky enough that when I bought my car, the price on the car and its options was lower and lots of things came standard that are now pay-for options. So for me it would be smarter to retrofit my old faithful rather than trade-in for new.
Second: that said, in case Tesla is listening, the autopilot feature made my mouth water and if there was a way (although I agree with others that it seems impossible) to retrofit it on my car (December 2012) for a fee somewhere in the four figures, I would do it. I was lucky enough that when I bought my car, the price on the car and its options was lower and lots of things came standard that are now pay-for options. So for me it would be smarter to retrofit my old faithful rather than trade-in for new.
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