Model S Delivery Dates and Sequencing

[teslasguy]

There are reasons for this, but it will only sound like an excuse if I try to explain them, so I will not.

I'm pretty sure I tried that line on my first wife once.
:wink:

 

[Jkam]

I'm not sure that email said all that much and the examples used in it didn't explain my particular situation (I sent my MPVA within a few days of receiving it and I didn't have banana leaf or obeche). As someone said before, that email could have gone out a month ago. But I suppose it is a baby step.

 

[Tommy]

I'm not sure that email said all that much and the examples used in it didn't explain my particular situation (I sent my MPVA within a few days of receiving it and I didn't have banana leaf or obeche). As someone said before, that email could have gone out a month ago. But I suppose it is a baby step.

Yes, you may have done everything regarding ordering by the letter; however GB's response alluded to the fact that others placing their orders late had an impact on the sequencing of the orders. Sounds like your order was one of the ones impacted.

 

[joefee]

George,

1. It’s a miracle Tesla got this far so fast (vision of the P85 smoking the M5 inserted here)

2. I’m glad it is only 28 (...hope I’m not one my window ends the 28th !)

3. Will you notify the 28 Sig’s who are delayed with an individual update beyond this general notice?

4. You may want to revisit the "Sig Tax” since now early delivery for high Sig’s and low GP cars are a matter of days/weeks not months.

Thanks !
JoeFee
S-1092 was P469

 

[timdorr]

I hope George isn't saying that the 2 week delay we heard about over the last week or so is really going to be 4 to 6 weeks. In my book 2 to 4 of those weeks have already happened to any of us Signature buyers that had delivery windows given to them this month.

I believe he's referring to the overall delay. The 2 week delay is a specific part issue. The overall deliveries have been pushed back several times, but back before most folks had delivery date ranges.

 

[Arnold Panz]

I hope George isn't saying that the 2 week delay we heard about over the last week or so is really going to be 4 to 6 weeks. In my book 2 to 4 of those weeks have already happened to any of us Signature buyers that had delivery windows given to them this month.

Let's hope this is from the original MVPA date, not the recent two-week window. Wish that had been clearer in the communication.

 

[Jkam]

Let's hope this is from the original MVPA date, not the recent two-week window. Wish that had been clearer in the communication.

For me, I was quoted an August delivery on my MPVA, so this Friday will be seven weeks from my MPVA date estimate. But as Tommy says, I might be one of the twenty something outliers.

 

[bbmertz]

I appreciate the update and your continued transparency, George. While I agree that your first priority should be to communicate with and deliver vehicles to Signature orders, I do think Tesla has an obligation to followup with general production customers whom have signed MVPAs with estimated delivery dates in 2012. These customers (myself included) have made a financial/personal commitment by entering into a legal agreement with Tesla and would appreciate further communications. As you are aware, there is a great deal of focus/concern regarding whether or not our vehicles will in fact be delivered by 12/31/12, since in the current political environment it is unclear if we can count on receiving the $7500 federal tax credit if deliveries occur on January 1st or later. Thanks again and keep up the great work on transforming the auto industry!

 

[Babylonfive]

I agree with BBMertz - we who are right on the line of getting ours in 2012 are also concerned, although it's fair to say we didn't pay extra for exclusivity and earlier delivery (like the sigs did).

I appreciate the update and your continued transparency, George. While I agree that your first priority should be to communicate with and deliver vehicles to Signature orders, I do think Tesla has an obligation to followup with general production customers whom have signed MVPAs with estimated delivery dates in 2012. These customers (myself included) have made a financial/personal commitment by entering into a legal agreement with Tesla and would appreciate further communications. As you are aware, there is a great deal of focus/concern regarding whether or not our vehicles will in fact be delivered by 12/31/12, since in the current political environment it is unclear if we can count on receiving the $7500 federal tax credit if deliveries occur on January 1st or later. Thanks again and keep up the great work on transforming the auto industry!

 

[Doug_G]

...and nothing for us Canadian Signature holders. Feeling like a mushroom here.

 

[mnx]

...and nothing for us Canadian Signature holders. Feeling like a mushroom here.

You live in Ottawa, why don't you go know on TC's doors and ask them what the hold up is...
All kidding aside, I wonder if we could just give them a ring and get any information...

Road and Motor Vehicle Safety - Transport Canada


Edit: Haha, I tried calling... Didn't find out anything although I think I was speaking with someone in the road safety department. He suggested calling the manufacturer.

 

[CyberDutchie]

As you are aware, there is a great deal of focus/concern regarding whether or not our vehicles will in fact be delivered by 12/31/12, since in the current political environment it is unclear if we can count on receiving the $7500 federal tax credit if deliveries occur on January 1st or later.

I wonder if Tesla could do an arrangement where you come in on or prior to 12/31/12 and sign all the necessary paperwork and make the full payment as you would normally do during the actual delivery of the car, but they would "hold on" to your car and you'd get it later, when it's ready. That way you could still perhaps claim the tax credit in April?

 

[youlikeadajuice]

4. You may want to revisit the "Sig Tax” since now early delivery for high Sig’s and low GP cars are a matter of days/weeks not months.

Was there ever supposed to be a separation of "months" between sigs and P's? Delays or not they would have gone right into P production as the sigs wrapped up.

 

[Larry Chanin]

I hope George isn't saying that the 2 week delay we heard about over the last week or so is really going to be 4 to 6 weeks. In my book 2 to 4 of those weeks have already happened to any of us Signature buyers that had delivery windows given to them this month.

No George is not saying there is a new 4 to 6 week delay.

Here's what George wrote:

The primary impact of this revised production ramp is that early Model S deliveries have been moved out approximately 4 to 6 weeks. For some of you, this change means that the estimated delivery date on your order paperwork has now passed, and you may have had the delivery date of your Model S scheduled and then re-scheduled to a later date.

A case in point is Nigel with Special Signature sequence number 183. On May 1 he was orignally given a September delivery on his MVPA. In September his delivery window became October 3-17. Today is the upper range of his delivery window but he hasn't received delivery. His car is about a week away since it was completed and awaits shipment to Florida.

George is just saying that some early reservation holders have experienced the worse delays of up to 6 weeks.

Larry

 

[Todd Burch]

No George is not saying there is a new 4 to 6 week delay.

Here's what George wrote:

Larry, I don't necessarily come to that conclusion from the quote you provided.

Edit: WHOOPS! Sorry Larry...I just missed the negative in your post...I agree with you!

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Was there ever supposed to be a separation of "months" between sigs and P's? Delays or not they would have gone right into P production as the sigs wrapped up.

I think it always should have been assumed that late sigs would get their car right before early P's. To think that a fledgling car company with critical bottom lines would sit around doing nothing for awhile is silly. For the record, I think most if not all sigs understood this to be the case, but I could be wrong.

 

[VolkerP]

Was there ever supposed to be a separation of "months" between sigs and P's? Delays or not they would have gone right into P production as the sigs wrapped up.

I think everyone in his right mind would agree that Sig-999 / Sig-1000 is followed by P-1 immediately in production. Things became a bit more complicated, as they usually do, with Roadster owners/referrals having Sig Special slots respectively R- numbers, then dropouts, upgrades, downgrades, parts availability, failed quality checks, you name it.

I speculate joefee is p***ed by the thought that now even some Sig-31 might be followed by P-1 immediately in production, and, thanks to delivery delays, might receive his/her car later than P-1 reservation holder. I can see how someone in that situation would feel p***ed, but the alternative would be to p*** even more people by artificially delaying their delivery further. I think it is agreeable that Tesla wants to avoid that.

Sorry I tried to use clear language, not clean.:redface:

 

[teslasguy]

Sorry I tried to use clear language, not clean.:redface:

Actually, I'm always amazed at how good your English is.
Are you sure you're not really a closet American?

 

[Laumb]

In the end, wether you get your car a few days ahead of or after a low P, doesn't really matter - you still get a Signature edition showing you were a true Pioneer.

I paid my reservation yesterday, imagine when I get my vehicle... ...


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Tapatalkin' from iTalatut.

 

[Jrhodesmd]

Not to burst anyone's "now I'm going to get my car soon" bubble, but talked with a couple of folks at Tesla today as I have entered my already-been-revised-twice delivery window and have heard nothing. I'll spare you all the little details of having to get a new specialist b/c they can't talk directly to Texas customers anymore (possible lawsuits pending from dealers), and the "you mean he hasn't contacted you?" conversation. FYI I'm Sig #371, returned my MVPA the day I got it back in May. I've been pushed back 'again' to November (keep in mind was originally told end of August/beginning of September, then told end of Sept, then told Oct 17-31 "with it definitely being in the beginning of that range," then told 2 weeks ago "your car is definitely on the assembly line" only to then hear today it hasn't gotten that far yet.) Per Tesla I am NOT one of the special 28 cases, that this is how they are all going. No VIN, and in somewhat of a specialist limbo.
My concern has moved much further and deeper than "I wan't my car" foot stomping (insert picture of your 4 year old here.) As a shareholder, there is NO WAY this company is going to make their earnings in this next quarter. I have, as the rest of you, been hearing about this storied ramp up that is suppose to be occurring. However, if they can't get to Sig #371 until at least November, there will be no chance they will hit their already revised downward 3000 cars by end of December. To take some sting out of the sig tax (which BTW I don't mind it but in no way will I be upgrading my X to sig if tesla survives long enough to make it) I can understand selling your stock now, shorting it for the soon to occur drop when they don't make earnings, then hopefully buying it on the way up as Tesla recovers. I hate to sound negative, and I love Tesla and what they are trying to do. However, as a doctor, I tend to deal with reality and facts, not blind faith and hopeful feel good optimism.

 

[DouglasR]

(Cross-posted on TM Forum)

Thank you George, this is extremely helpful and informative.


For a number of reasons, primarily tax-related, I would like to make an educated guess as to whether my vehicle (P983) will be delivered before the end of 2012. It would be very helpful if you or someone could clarify the formula for determining whether a particular sequence number will fall within the 2,500 - 3,000 vehicles to be produced (and delivered?) this year. What is the formula, and what are the inputs to that formula?


Here is a start:


T2012 = F + SSL + S + CS + R + P2012 - C = ~2,500-3,000~


where T2012 = total vehicles delivered in 2012
F = Founders
SSL = Special Signature
S = Signature
CS = Canadian Signature
R = Roadster Friends and Family
P2012 = Production vehicles delivered in 2012
C = Cancellations and deferrals
~2,500-3,000~ = somewhere between 2,500 and 3,000


There are a number of parts to this formula that I am uncertain about: is the 2,500 - 3,000 number an estimate of vehicles produced or vehicles delivered? Are the Canadian Signatures produced before the Rs or Ps? And most important, what are the numbers to be plugged into each variable (except the unknown P2012)?


I'm not asking for precision, but rather a guide to help me decide, for example, whether I need to shift income to 2013 in order to take advantage of the $7,500 tax credit. If anybody who can shed some light on this process/formula, I would be most grateful.