cynix
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The same 60 minutes that added fake engine noises to the piece on Tesla, and who's witness for their Benghazi story that was not even there?
Nope, not the same 60 Minutes. The Musk interview was from the Australian 60 Minutes.
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The same 60 minutes that added fake engine noises to the piece on Tesla, and who's witness for their Benghazi story that was not even there?
That response does not address the question of the missing horsepower..........
Actually Andy I believe it does in the last sentence (and even compared to the 70D and 85D), but there is no admittance in the statement:
"With the P85D the combined motor shaft power can often exceed the battery electrical horsepower available."
Yes, - so in my mind the HP discussion is over as JB has admitted it so clearly. You can always discuss numbers from now on, but we all know the answer. I am happy that it has finally come so far, but sorry that we had to bring it all out to make Tesla admit.
In my mind now there remains only the question of 1) How Tesla will make this very clear on their configurator, so as to not fool new buyers and 2) how to compensate those that purchased under false pretence.
With the P85D the combined motor shaft power can often exceed the battery electrical horsepower available.
With the P85D the combined motor shaft power will always exceed the battery electrical horsepower available.
Actually Andy I believe it does in the last sentence (and even compared to the 70D and 85D), but there is no admittance in the statement:
"With the P85D the combined motor shaft power can often exceed the battery electrical horsepower available."
How many horse-power does the car actually develop...
I find it ridiculous, that blog's headline is"Tesla All Wheel Drive (Dual Motor) Power and Torque Specifications"
and it still doesn't tell the actual hp number. JB wrote large blog post about P85D's hp-rating, but did not tell us, what it is.
that's because it doesn't have horsepower. it's an electric vehicle. blog post was very clear to me. 691hp doesn't mean anything other than its the addition of the two motor "EV hp" (which doesn't really exist). can't get much simpler and straightforward than that. you're trying to compare apples to oranges. the combined hp number is completely irrelevant and you can't apply an ICE car mindset to an EV. 691HP for an ICE != 691 HP for a dual motor single gear EV. completely different profiles. as to "missing hp from 70 to 90mph" its theres no multi gear transmission so putting your "EV hat" on should tell you that yes no matter what "HP" number you're going to give it, without a multigear transmission the EV isn't going to match the performance of an ICE equivalent at those speeds. I wish this subject would just die.
750ish W per hp and you have your number
now back to what the battery can supply
YBD,
Not going to happen as long as people do not take responsibility for for knowing BeVs derive power from the battery which is turned into movement by motors. These people will always be stuck on the FACT that the battery can not support both motors at maximum output at the exact same time and that Tesla is playing fast and loose when they quote motor horsepower without mention of peak battery power.
The performance of the system is not relevant to these people; they want to feel slighted and, gosh darn it, they are going to feel slighted. The performance of the system is the only thing that matters to me.
YBD,
Not going to happen as long as people do not take responsibility for for knowing BeVs derive power from the battery which is turned into movement by motors. These people will always be stuck on the FACT that the battery can not support both motors at maximum output at the exact same time and that Tesla is playing fast and loose when they quote motor horsepower without mention of peak battery power.
The performance of the system is not relevant to these people; they want to feel slighted and, gosh darn it, they are going to feel slighted. The performance of the system is the only thing that matters to me.
The performance of the system is not relevant to these people; they want to feel slighted and, gosh darn it, they are going to feel slighted. The performance of the system is the only thing that matters to me.
Exactly. There's no denying that the P85D battery will not simultaneously drive both motors at maximum power. Tesla confirmed it. Sure Tesla played a bit loose with the numbers for marketing purposes, but that's hardly unique to Tesla. The Hellcat will only hit 700 Hp under very specific circumstances and I doubt that many owners will ever achieve it.
The P85D performs as well or better than that 700HP rated Hellcat over the 1/4 mile or 0-60. That's certainly more than good enough for my purposes.
There will always be a small number of people who can't help but obsess over the numbers and I guess we can't really fault them for doing it because technically they're correct. I'd suggest that they don't take it so seriously but that will fall on deaf ears.
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Progress being made ... we're almost there ... let's hear from JB the engineer, not JB the marketer-supervised-by-lawyers ...
Hellcat does the 1/4 mile in 10.8. That is a hughe difference from P85D 11.7. A powerfull rwd car will need good tires and perfect conditions to do it. The reason I only buy cars with 4wd.
Sadly, this is the start of the transition from Tesla, the company run by engineers, to Tesla, the company run by finance, legal and marketing types. It's an inevitable transition that the company must make because we, the customer, force them to. I can imagine that it's very frustrating for the engineers (like Elon and JB) who are fundamentally interested in building a great product.