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....Not to go back in circles??? Wiuuuw and round we go:scared:

Well, again why should it? By choosing the 85D, you chose to not go for and pay (the extra 20K USD) for performance (although the 85D is also extremely fast). Future automobiles like the Model S will see a whole new world coming. It's just like a PC. Essentially you will probably get the whole...

You've said it yourself: Get objective. And you're questioning the facts? Are you closer to the lawyers that are running our case than I am? Why should I ever want to share my data with you, you have no interest because you are not an owner, simple as that. But since you're so loaded, be my...

I don't give much for political correctness, so i dare say that you can't possibly have an opinion about what P85D owners think or don't think. You may be entitled to an opinion on what you believe they think, but that's about it. And then for a fact I can tell you that you believe wrong! Maybe...

"Everyone else who just happened only to opt for the 85D (unless they are un-sound in mind) to be more precise.

No updates, ball is in Tesla "court" to answer Consumer lawyers before deadline Nov. 27th. (Denmark),

Nope - closed cases. @vgrinshpun - well, think what you want but it's facts and no quarrel!

A few facts as of today from the "other" side of the Atlantic. Two cases are currently pending first consumer judicial step: One in Denmark on behalf of a handful of owners and one in Norway representing 150+ P85D owners (25(!!)% of all P85D owners in Norway). Happy days!

Hypothetical question Gentlemen: In the event that our little case here in Denmark/Norway would end up with Tesla agreeing to compensate us say the difference between the 85D and the P85D prices minus the red stuff etc., would the "nay sayers" in this thread then graciously thank NO to receiving...

No it will not, this is a barrel of gunpowder standing close to the waterline! When it blows it will require som serious mending!

Nope! And this is a screenshot from when I placed my order. 700 hp "ydeevne". Ydeevne means performance in English, no motor performance, no nothing, just performance. Impossible to mistake for anything else. And no asterixes, no disclaimers, etc. plain and simple amazing power ready to be...

Flatthill, to be blunt I don't give a rats A** about your trying to blur it all up. Tesla SOLD me a vehicle with 691 HP's - now they say it only has 463! WTF! NOBODY pulls this trick on me without having to stand to attention for their crime! Period!

Excuse me gentlemen, but I am convinced this discussion is spiraling into one long BS story with no end result or real purpose. I and a few handfull's of people have spent a relentles amount of hours to open a dialogue with Tesla motors over the P85D and it's missing specs, so far to a dead end...

Should it ever come to that - which I think is highly improbable - although I love Tesla and my P85D, I would have to say goodbye and sorry to Tesla, for in the next 5 years there will be a load of other options to choose from, so my world would absolutely not collapse anyway.

Hmm, when the it comes to moving from a perfectly well functioning 369 hp car to a 430 hp car that you were told had 700 and you then paid 30K USD for this exchange, you wouldn't think it mattered??? Sounds pretty frightening to me, if that's what you think. You must be loaded man, or come to...

Haha, Thank for that one Yeak-55, we could have known this was coming, had we just remembered this old tale...:wink:

No word from Tesla - the lawyers are working.

GREAT is the con of Tesla - I find it hard to swallow the disappointment. What a hoax. But I am happy we kept on the pressure. Discussion case closed for me, heading to court.

YESSSS! WE finally got it! But oh boy - the DISSAPOINTMENT is hard to swallow!:cursing:

@Darthy, yeah - really looking forward to hear from the Norwegian consumer authorities meeting with Tesla on November 10th. Speed is picking up here in Denmark too - we are pretty confident that this is going to be a bite-the-dust case...;-)

Rumor has it that Tesla found a simpler way to install the new HW (fuse etc.), thus the reduction in price - mainly work hours.

Well Lauz, you seem to be very well versed in the court rooms of the world...:cool:, read= sounds like a load of un-substantiated BS to me!

The interesting thing here is not so much 0-60 or HP but more reaching 1/4 mile in 10,9 secs. As far as I am informed by racing community people from 11,5 secs and down every 0,1 sec will cost 2K USD at least to achieve, so right now 11,3 is 8K USD from that target. curious to see what tomorrow...

I care for 30K USD worth, that's what it cost me to exchange my perfectly functioning S85 with the P85D on the advertised 691HP (700 Europe), an advertised number that has now not only been pulled back but also explained not to be true. It might be a trifle in your household, but in mine it's a...

Yes, - so in my mind the HP discussion is over as JB has admitted it so clearly. You can always discuss numbers from now on, but we all know the answer. I am happy that it has finally come so far, but sorry that we had to bring it all out to make Tesla admit. In my mind now there remains only...

Yes but that does not relieve them of addressing the customers that ordered and bought their vehicles in the 6+ months window when 691hp (700hp Europe) was a major sales promotion given by every TM sales person World wide.

Actually Andy I believe it does in the last sentence (and even compared to the 70D and 85D), but there is no admittance in the statement: "With the P85D the combined motor shaft power can often exceed the battery electrical horsepower available."

Luz you do not seriously believe that the Danish budget negotiations will take into account a visit from Elon, if you do please bring in some more industry tycoons...;-) Teslas statement about an ultimatum is an outright untruth (and to stress further: the DK press today is blowing with untrue...

Absolute do not agree. There is no reason to blow Denmark up any further than it already is. First of all, this case has been long underway, Elons visit was planned a few weeks ago. Whether his opinion will matter is questionable (while I sure would hope so), since taxes in Denmark are collected...

An update: Last week we finally managed to get through to the Tesla Motors Executive office and this is the email that we received from Elon (through his exec. assistant Sam Teller). "Hi Ken, I work in Elon Musk’s executive office at Tesla. Elon received your email and wrote the...

Thanks for supporting, I absolutely agree. Tesla Motors have done a great job which I and all of us support 100%. BUT there are rules and regulations, and because you're "new", you can't just assume people will follow you even if you break them. Hey, and you can't boast of not having any...

Unfortunately I have been thinking right from when we started to approach Tesla Motors long ago and even to this day, that the corporate lawyer strategy rules here (ever seen the "Rainmaker"?): Silence, Silence... Deny, Deny, etc.. Unfortunately also, this strategy is, when the firestorm starts...

Signed. Owner.

I signed your letter via PM, Andy. See stock is down 4,7% today - The letter?....;-) If I were Elon, I'd get to the keyboard real quick (I'm sorry to say).

No, apparently you don't. The ludicrous upgrade consists of a new fuse that can handle up to 1500A AND a SW control. IF the new fuse turns out to be the only fix Tesla can come up with that's their problem, but they would still be able to SW disable it to INSANE.

WK057, I believe you as close on as you can be. Thanks mate. I also believe this thread has proven it's point, and can sleep peacefully from now on. Thanks to the many that have already joined our cause and to the many that have not, but still support us. We feel we have passed critical...

Wise decision!....;-)

Nope not for special people only, but as you can see from the forum discussions, we don't need all kinds of discussions around the actual data and what we write or do not write to Tesla. So, as stated in the first post, IF you are not satisfied with your P85D, join us, provide your data if...

Roll out or not and long discussions, I'm sorry but I don't really care. Tesla has sold the P85D under fiery advertising billboards (and they still do - including the many many times Elon himself has confirmed it orally) that with P85D they have reached their target of creating an equal to the...

Niclas, not me - because I've got it....;-) (irony/sarcasm may be included for free)

Matias, I don't mention Ludicrous mode, I don't care for it and therefore I will not ask for it. I simply want Tesla Motors to either find a fix for the P85D so that my vehicle matches the ML F1 AS PROMISED or ADMIT publicly that it can not and that the have wrongfully advertised and sold the...

Matias, - if there's going to be third letter - so far we ask fellow P85D owners to submit more information to us. We strongly believe that Tesla Motors, being a sensible company, will eventually get in touch with us, otherwise why would we bother?

Some good points. Don't get me wrong I love my P85D and i love Tesla Motors for what they have achieved. I have so far spent 240.000 USD in support in purchasing two of their fantastic automobiles. But I am not going to sell out on my principles in support of false or squeaky marketing stunts to...

Gentlemen, please stop referring to us as whiners etc., this is hardly the issue. The issue is very simple and VERY measureable: Elon Musk and Tesla Motors have ADVERTIZED AND MARKETED a vehicle that could finally follow the McLaren F1 from 0-60 mph at it's incredible 3.2 sec. The McLaren...

+1, Head on nail for me...;-)

I know of 5 owners that have scheduled and confirmed times in Denmark, all between Sept. 16th and Oct. 24th.

I love my P85D nextGen all over etc. etc., certainly. AND it sure outperforms my 2014 model S85. Having said that, I'm deeply disappointed with the marketing stunt of 0-100 (Km/h) in 3.3 Sec (later 3.2 sec, and other values for 0-60 Mph). THAT was my main reason for changing after barely a year...

I have had my P85D with tan nextgen's since March and 2 weeks ago i took delivery of a new pair of dark blue jeans that looked REALLY indigo. Friday I noticed that my drivers seat was all blued up, and yesterday I took some mild soap to it on a colorless microfibre cloth and in two minutes the...

I'm in Europe but mine came with Michelin pilot sport 3 on 19"'s.