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Nope. Nothing with a yoke is available for a test drive.Hello all,
I am Canadian going to USA in a week for vacation and would like to test drive model S's yolk steering before making deposit to order in Canada. Are the new model S plaid available for test drive in USA?
If you can't buy Elon's product without seeing it live or testing it out first, you're not the primary target customer. It's much easier to learn to live with something after you've shelled out $150K for it and trust Elon unconditionally - "Elon says yoke is better, so I must just be using it wrong".Nope. Nothing with a yoke is available for a test drive.
Geee, I wonder why?
If you can't buy Elon's product without seeing it live or testing it out first, you're not the primary target customer. It's much easier to learn to live with something after you've shelled out $150K for it and trust Elon unconditionally - "Elon says yoke is better, so I must just be using it wrong".
Not yet. Stopped buying more Teslas after 4, in 2018. Was very temped by the Plaid but the yoke is a complete deal breaker for me. I even considered a test drive it to see if the stalkless yoke is somehow really better, you know, maybe Elon somehow knows something I don't, but was told no Plaids available for test drive and no more 7 day no questions asked return if I buy a car without a test drive and don't like it (evidently Tesla is not so confident anymore that people will love their cars for 8 days after buying without a test drive). Sadly due to world events I am still waiting for a Taycan Turbo CT. Covid screwed up their production, they had a transport ship sink not long ago with 1,400 Porsches onboard, now the war in Ukraine is further complicating production. My second choice is EQS AMG if I snag an allocation before Porsche hatches one for me. Unlike the Plaid, I was able to test drive both of these cars without having to order and take delivery first. I've never bought a car without test driving it first, I am not about start, especially given a new radical controls which apparently is love it or hate it and learn to live with it.Have you bought another brand yet?
How much to convert it to a regular steering wheel with stalks? Who offers that?And there are options for that if you hate it.
Just search the forum and google. The one I was tempted to get was an add on. So no worries around warranty. And it came off easy too. It was cheap. But a little ugly. Some places are quite expensive, look totally OEM. I think TSportline has one. But there are like 3-4 places that offer it. I have zero interest now that I’ve had it a month.How much to convert it to a regular steering wheel with stalks? Who offers that?
I did, found one person who converted to full wheel with stalks but they said it was a ton of work and don't offer it to others. It probably voids Tesla warranty too. Not at all interested in just rounding the yoke since it makes the touch controls from bad to worse (hands are no longer forced to be in the exact same spot, so finding the touch controls becomes so much harder, not that I am a big fan of them to start).Just search the forum and google. The one I was tempted to get was an add on. So no worries around warranty. And it came off easy too. It was cheap. But a little ugly. Some places are quite expensive, look totally OEM. I think TSportline has one. But there are like 3-4 places that offer it. I have zero interest now that I’ve had it a month.
Most, if not all, round wheel kits is wheel only.
One person put a Model 3 steering column and has stalks and everything working.
I don’t think making it round makes lack of stalks worse. Any solution that does stalks is gonna mess with warranty.I did, found one person who converted to full wheel with stalks but they said it was a ton of work and don't offer it to others. It probably voids Tesla warranty too. Not at all interested in just rounding the yoke since it makes the touch controls from bad to worse (hands are no longer forced to be in the exact same spot, so finding the touch controls becomes so much harder, not that I am a big fan of them to start).
You may be interested in the actual number of cars that were lost on the Felicity... a number of production vehicles including a few rare models.Not yet. Stopped buying more Teslas after 4, in 2018. Was very temped by the Plaid but the yoke is a complete deal breaker for me. I even considered a test drive it to see if the stalkless yoke is somehow really better, you know, maybe Elon somehow knows something I don't, but was told no Plaids available for test drive and no more 7 day no questions asked return if I buy a car without a test drive and don't like it (evidently Tesla is not so confident anymore that people will love their cars for 8 days after buying without a test drive). Sadly due to world events I am still waiting for a Taycan Turbo CT. Covid screwed up their production, they had a transport ship sink not long ago with 1,400 Porsches onboard, now the war in Ukraine is further complicating production. My second choice is EQS AMG if I snag an allocation before Porsche hatches one for me. Unlike the Plaid, I was able to test drive both of these cars without having to order and take delivery first. I've never bought a car without test driving it first, I am not about start, especially given a new radical controls which apparently is love it or hate it and learn to live with it.
If Tesla brings back regular steering wheel with stalks to the Plaid, I might consider buying one more if I still cannot get my hands on other brands. But Elon will never admit being wrong, so this would have to be some government intervention forcing Tesla to discontinue stalkless yoke, so that Elon can save face never admitting he was wrong.
Perhaps the 1,400 number I saw was the total number of cars, not just Porsches. I stand corrected - 580 Porsches lost.You may be interested in the actual number of cars that were lost on the Felicity... a number of production vehicles including a few rare models.
These Are the Cars That Sank With the Felicity Ace Cargo Ship
Not just new cars, but classics, too.www.thedrive.com
The manifest reveals the specific numbers of vehicles that had already been confirmed on board: 15 Lamborghini Aventadors (representing the final production run, which Lamborghini is now gearing up to replace), 20 Huracans, and 50 Uruses, for a total of 85 Lamborghinis now resting on the ocean floor. Audi lost 846 vehicles, Porsche saw over 580 cars lost, and Volkswagen 523 cars (some of which were non-US models intended for Mexico and Central/South American markets, likely alongside the 3 Seat Atecas lost). Bentley lost 190 cars alone, which represents a not-insignificant chunk of the 14,659 cars the company built in total last year.
Not if you turn the yoke into a wheel, unless you do that just for esthetics, i.e. never grab the wheel anywhere but the original yoke position. If you grab it in elsewhere, your fingers may not be anywhere near the turn signals, and if the wheel is turned you have no way to tell without looking where the turn signal touch controls are (e.g. a curve I drive many times a week which requires a signal, but is not curved "enough" to automatically disengage the turn signal).Not having a stable location for stalks while turning is not that bad. In some cases with them on the wheel (up to 90 degrees each way) the button stays relative to your finger.
I see your point. But you tend to use stalks when the wheel is in neutral any way. So it should not be that hard to find them by feel or muscle memory. Yeah there more wrong places your hands can be with a wheel and no stalks. But I don’t think it would that much worse over time.Not if you turn the yoke into a wheel, unless you do that just for esthetics, i.e. never grab the wheel anywhere but the original yoke position. If you grab it in elsewhere, your fingers may not be anywhere near the turn signals, and if the wheel is turned you have no way to tell without looking where the turn signal touch controls are (e.g. a curve I drive many times a week which requires a signal, but is not curved "enough" to automatically disengage the turn signal).
Enough people online who loved the Plaid continue to say that they are still getting used to or learning to live with the yoke weeks later. I'm sure you can eventually get there, some people quicker than others, but to me any feature that you have learn to live with or get used to is not a desirable feature. Before COVID I used to travel more and often rented a Prius with a speedo in the middle of the car (like Model 3/Y). Sure I got used to it after a couple of days, but still not something I like or would choose for my car.