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Same swagger Elon had in 2016 telling us about the Tesla Ride Sharing network coming in 2017? Or when he told investors Teslas are appreciating assets? Or when he told people in 2020 that by end of that year there will be a million Tesla robo-taxis on the road? One thing Elon is never short on...

I say the board should ask Elon to put his money where his mouth is - he should be granted options to buy 2024 Model 3 Highlands at today's MSRP instead of stock options or grants, expiring by end of this year. He's told the world that Tesla cars are appreciating assets which will be worth...

Elon has historically been able to find naive customers. I was one until 2015 when I realized he will say whatever it takes to sell (he sold me a 700hp P85D - for those who don't remember the past it was just called that, it produced a maximum of 461hp when all stars aligned). People like me...

Yep, with a safety driver. But hey, Elon will be able to say he delivered on a RoboTaxi (because the car will be called that, like Full Self Driving is called that, doesn't mean it fully self drives or ever will, because it won't, not in the cars it was sold in since 2016).

Most of what Elon says is false. I say focus on what he does or actually accomplishes, ignore any forward looking statements. This is especially true when handing him any money, make sure you are getting what you paid for on delivery day, and anything else you expect is in writing in official...

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An open-top convertible with no seatbelts for best water escape chances. Not great for other types of accidents though. 🤷‍♂️

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There is one way Tesla could untangle it, offer the stalked steering wheel as an option watch the volumes of orders. They could even include the touch buttons as well, then have a driver profile setting of which one you want to use, then monitor the telemetry how many people choose which one. Of...

You obviously missed what I said. To prove there has been at least one lost car sale all you need is anecdotal evidence - I can tell you Tesla lost 2 car sales for certain as I would have bought at least one more S and X. I never claimed the lost a lot, because I have no data to support it.

Either are yokes, one is just rounded - still no stalks, still same controls IMO the rounded yoke is the worst of two worlds, but my guess is that majority of people chose it as it's the closest to traditional controls, without realizing until people get the car that it's lacking stalks...

We don't have aggregate numbers, but anecdotal evidence on this forum still show little to no examples of anyone buying a Tesla for the stalkless yoke, but definitely a few examples of people not buying a Tesla because of them (in my case alone, at least one Model S and one Model X). So given...

What is fascinating to me is that Tesla keeps doubling down on this, while even in this thread it's apparent that this change did not gain them any customers, definitely lost some customers. So to me it seems that either: a) profit from lost customers is significantly less than the savings from...

2024 Subaru WRX Ditches Nonsensical BMW-Style Turn Signal Stalks

And now anyone who has 2 Teslas, one with the old signal buttons and one with the new ones will be activating wipers by accident. I know, retrofit time, best case scenario a software reprogramming with a label sticker for the steering wheel. Until then, educate the public that Tesla with it's...

True, though at least the new S/X had a front bumper camera (or so I recall hearing) - it might make up for lack of USS.

Funny, after 2 consecutive Model S'es my wife really wanted a Model X. After test driving one with a yoke, she went with an Audi EV. She occasionally complains about the Audi deficiencies, to which I often respond, "just say the word, and I will replace the Audi with a new X", and she always...

If it follows the same timeline, it will be, in 8 years.

So a 4x4 gas mileage includes "low 4-4, with locked differentials" mode gas usage in the average? Weighted equally by miles driven?

I know, I don't remember which car I drove which had this. Still worse than traditional stalks IMO.

Interesting, all 3/Y's I've ever driven, the stalk never stays all the way in left signal or right signal position - always returns to the center position, even if the blinker is on permanently.

Yep, they did. One car I can tell you for certain, Porsche cars with matrix headlights and radar + FLIR sensors (to detect the objects on collision course). I suspect Audi has that too (same systems) as well as other cars. I know Mercedes had that system independent of headlights, I think they...

The current, outside of NA implementation, the high beams only turn on when the road requires extra illumination and above some speed (e.g. 28mph). However, when approach other cars (same direction or opposite direction) the headlights just darken a box around those cars, so it looks as if you...

Yep, I eventually just did that. Not quite. They are still momentary switches. Check out how the 2018 or earlier Model S stalks worked - they stay in the directional position when pushed all the way, only blink 3 times (IIRC) if they return instantly when pushed half way.

I tried the auto-cancel when I rented a M3 a few times last year. It doesn't work every time. The problem is I never know if it's just late or is not going to work, so on more than one occasion I went to manually cancel it only to re-enable it because auto-cancel cancelled it while I was moving...

Neh, they have an out for that one - "subject to regulation". Elon has fine printed his way out of obligations so many times, this one is super simple - "EU made FSD you purchased illegal, but you can buy a new car which has a different, legal FSD".

That's probably it's already "cost optimized, half way to no stalk" Tesla solution. Normal stalks just stay in the left/right signaling position, then move back when automatically turned off. Some also allow you half way position which signals while you hold it there (or 1-3 times even if you...

I was fa big fan the one pedal driving of the Teslas for a decade I drove them. Switched to an EV with blended braking instead, and have to tell you, I actually prefer it. Maybe it's because the new EV can regen a lot harder than any Tesla (up to 280KW), but I think it's more because it...

By "get used to" do you mean "learn to live with it" or "prefer it"? Either way, the people who didn't get a long enough test drive to get used to it will still be lost sales to Tesla. My wife, after 2 Model S'es and really wanting a Model X, decided against it after test driving the yoke...

I actually sold a car through that about a year ago. I collected all the offers, then picked the highest one and negotiated it up (had to actually go to the dealer for them to see it in person). I also compared it against carvana, vroom, etc. The range was quite large too - lowest offer was 30%...

Sounds about right. I bought a couple of (non-Tesla) cars in 2023, the tax rate was about that (almost 11%, slightly higher for gasoline vehicles). WA taxes have been going up as people vote in more and more government spending. Just annual plates are costing me ~$4K a year on 4 cars. We now...

So works as intended. Elon is expecting EU to start rating for safety while on autopilot, and there signals are automatic, so the difference between manual driving rating and ADAS driving will be greater.

Go through the "get cash offers" on KBB, it's free, you have to upload some info and pictures, will tell you what the dealers are offering in your area. Be prepared for a reality check though, we all tend to value our cars much higher than the market does.

Yes, but that leaves the other half the people who are still using them, which stalkless will further reduce. Driving tests standards in US are way too laxed. So many people drive their cars like they'd ride a cow - get on it, point it in the general direction where you want to go, hope you get...

You know, that is one point I have not considered - more people will just stop using turn signals altogether. This may not be intuitive, but it will help Elon, as it will make people driving manually have more accidents. I don't have a source handy, but IIRC 2% of all car accidents in North...

Elon likes attention. The 2020 Roadster is a marketing asset which has aged quite a bit while Elon milked some hefty amount of media attention from it. Elon is just trying to maximize the marketing return on investment from the couple of prototypes Tesla built. At best we'll get some staged...

Even those have some large segments which light up as one. I distinctly recall seeing rear ones on some cars which disappeared gradually all the way.

We have one Audi in the home garage and it has an animation in the rear turn signal (the bad way starting with 1 tiny LED) however it also blinks the stop light (no animation) as an additional turn indicator which I think gets them off the hook. I'd be curious if in the EU they have the same...

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As you say, different people like different cars. I'm not a big fan of the Macan or Cayenne. Whenever I got a Macan or Cayenne (mostly base models) as loaners from Porsche I actually preferred to just drive my wife's Model S or Q8 etron., The new Macan EV might be different, we'll see. I almost...

That is true. I would not have switched from Model S to a non-Turismo variant (both Cross Turismo or Sport Turismo have the same trunk). Interesting that you'd say that. That was not the impression I got 6 months ago when my wife was looking at a 2023 Model S as replacement for her 2018 Model...

I've had 4 Model S'es 2013-2018. I now have a 2023 Taycan CT today. I will tell you that the back seat is a lot more comfortable for adults than the Model S. I think it's the "foot garage" which provides the passengers on the back with significantly more legroom. My wife used to hate driving on...

Yes.

Legacy parts no longer in production (therefore requiring a separate supply chain) perhaps?

One of the things Hertz mention was the cost of repairs which was higher for 3/Y. That cost has probably not gone down with the new car prices. The lower resale value is just whining, sure their current fleet costed them more because of it, but the renewal should be calculated based on new...

I thought it was "one in a million".

^THAT. If Elon really wanted to test his stalkless idea, he'd produce car with both set of controls, then add a setting to allow each driver profile to enable either only the stalks, or only steering wheel controls, or both, then collect telemetry on what percentage of car do people stop using...

30% of buying actually want a stalkless yoke? Where did you get this number?

Sometimes dropping X% of customers in order to save Y% of the cost can net a profit if Y>>X. Remember that we're talking profit, not revenue. That said, in this case it is hard for me to see how stalkless yoke would have mass appeal. The fact that Tesla partially reverted to stalkless wheel...