jelloslug
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At highway speeds it's more like 25 to 30% more range. I can get 280 in my 75D without breaking a sweat and 300 if I really make an effort.
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Model S75 RWD anything but discontinued . . .
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jelloslug
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You can disagree all you want but not only have I driven RWD vs AWD Model Ses on the same route many, many times with the same results every time, many other people have seen the same thing. When my Model S was still a 60D, it was within 5 miles of the same range on the highway as the 85 that we had as a company car.
jelloslug
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Just about everyone that has driven RWD vs non P AWD have seen what I see every day. Don't just listen to what I'm saying though, here is a leg from my last road trip:
jelloslug
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The majority of my traveling is in stop and go traffic which is horrible for efficiency. How far can you go at highway speeds? Every trip I have taken in an 85 at highway speeds was in the 320 wh/mi range.
I not going to argue over it. Here are the indisputable facts:
1) awd cost $5000 more
2) awd adds about 300lbs to the already heavy car
3) awd adds complexity of another motor, gear drive, half shafts, cv joints, etc.
4) Teslas official rating is a range increase of 10 miles
It’s unrealistic to tell someone they’re going to get 25 to 30 percent more range with all wheel drive. It’s not going to happen.
1) awd cost $5000 more
2) awd adds about 300lbs to the already heavy car
3) awd adds complexity of another motor, gear drive, half shafts, cv joints, etc.
4) Teslas official rating is a range increase of 10 miles
It’s unrealistic to tell someone they’re going to get 25 to 30 percent more range with all wheel drive. It’s not going to happen.
jelloslug
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Since you don't actually understand how the real world performance of the AWD system performs, even with proof, I suggest that you refrain from making the unrealistic assumptions.
my wife is a leadfoot - she's got 390 miles on the car and she's up around 340w/mi. . . and 200 of that is in stop and go 210 Freeway traffic from Pasadena to Upland 2x a day.
jelloslug
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Oh, and the difference is weight between the 75 and the 75D is 198lbs, not 300.
DIL
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I've been looking for this information. What is the weight difference between 75D and 100D?
jelloslug
Active Member
The 75D weighs 4608lbs (2090kg) and the 100D weighs 4850lbs (2200kg) for a difference of 242lbs (110kg)
Farzinfar
Member
Dear @jelloslug can you please take a screenshot of your MS display when it is fully (or 90%) charged to see the range? Also would be nice to see the badge at the back to make sure we are talking about 75 vs. 75D and not 75 vs 100D.
Thanks
Thanks
jelloslug
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My 90% floats around between 225 and 229 depending on ambient temperatures. My 100% is usually 252 to 254.
Science fan
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My 90% floats around between 225 and 229 depending on ambient temperatures. My 100% is usually 252 to 254.
Jello, I have a 2016 75 (no D), same color. I have been averaging 267 wh/mile for the past 7,000 miles or so. My 100% charge is now 244 miles (I think it was around 250 when new 15,600 miles and 19 months ago). For me, it is the highway miles that actually cause lower efficiency than stop and go around town. Around town, I get about 250 wh/m. When on the highway at 65, can get 244 miles on a full charge. If I go 70, efficiency drops significantly. My guess is that, within any one classification of Tesla (D or not), efficiency is related to driver style and tire pressure.
jelloslug
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With the D version, you get "torque sleep" mode when you are traveling at highway speeds. This shuts off the rear motor and just uses the front motor to keep the car moving at a constant speed. The front motor in the D is significantly smaller than the rear motor in the RWD cars. This is why you see much lower consumption in the non P AWD cars at highway speeds over the RWD versions. Like I said before, I have driven the same stretch of highway, at the same speeds, and the same conditions in a RWD 85 configured Model S and my 75D Model S. The results were the same every time: noticeably more range with my 75D at highway speeds.
I test drove 75 and 75D back to back and felt the acceleration more in the 75, which I liked. I'm not going to use this car for snow, and it wasn't worth $5k more for something I don't care about. The range issue isn't really a big deal since I'm not driving super long distances on a regular basis, and even if I were, a 20-30 mile difference in range wouldn't really be significant. To each his/her own..
Looks like it might be coming back. (Although it probably never disappeared anyway):
Tesla's 2018 CARB filing reveals Model S 75 RWD could be coming back
Tesla's 2018 CARB filing reveals Model S 75 RWD could be coming back
Farzinfar
Member
OK, thanks for this message and images. This now makes more sense. if you go back to your original post, you claimed your 100% was 300 miles and I think that was the cause of my confusion:
Happy New Year.
Regards
jelloslug
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It can get those ranges (easily), the rated range on the dash will never state that though.
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