Mary Barra, what is going through your mind right now?

[Topher]

If you watch the Walking Dead, you will see that even in the case of a zombie apocalypse there are plenty of gas stations with fuel and munchies. Not sure if a Tesla charging station would still be getting electricity from the grid.

Of course those pumps don't work without electricity...

Thank you kindly.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Let's add some reality to your fiction - gas goes bad. A couple months after you buy it the gas will start to turn into gum and varnish, which will cause major problems by clogging the fuel lines and filters. Yes there are fuel stabilizers you can put into the gas to extend the shelf live up to 15 months, I add it to the two 5 gallon tanks I fill up at the start of hurricane season, however the gas stations would not have put that in before the outbreak. According to The Walking Dead timeline when Rick wakes up at the start of the series its already been 2 months since the outbreak, so their vehicles would soon start failing due to bad gas.

Modern engines are tolerant of bad gas, so it can take quite a while. It seems that Hyundais aren't particularly tolerant.

 

[SpiceWare]

Modern engines are tolerant of bad gas, so it can take quite a while. It seems that Hyundais aren't particularly tolerant.

I'm sure they're tolerant of the occasional bad batch of gas, that article does mention:

The good news is, once the old gas has been consumed and the tank is topped off with fresh fuel, the problem should cure itself.

Problem is fresh fuel is no longer being produced, so the problem can't cure itself. Eventually the gas will degrade to the point that it's no longer usable by any vehicle, no matter how tolerant they may be.

 

[McRat]

Mandatory vapor recovery systems, plastic fuel tanks, and improved additives have dramatically increased the usable shelf life of gasoline.

It is not unusual for a 5 year old tank of fuel to work perfectly in a car today. But don't try that in a open vapor system or metal tank.

 

[Drivin]

Of course those pumps don't work without electricity...

Thank you kindly.

That is why you would use a marine pump connected to the car battery and siphon out of main tank.

 

[cdub]

Nissan senior hierarchy drove and lived LEAF, their families too. Generation LEAF 2 has 550km NEDC, 600 km JC08 range. (remember this is a Japan/Euro company, not a USA company). by comparison the Japan Tesla S70D is 442km NEDC, Tesla P90D is ~505km NEDC, Tesla P90 is 550km NEDC

Huh? Where do you get this info?

 

[sandpiper]

Nissan senior hierarchy drove and lived LEAF, their families too. Generation LEAF 2 has 550km NEDC, 600 km JC08 range. (remember this is a Japan/Euro company, not a USA company). by comparison the Japan Tesla S70D is 442km NEDC, Tesla P90D is ~505km NEDC, Tesla P90 is 550km NEDC

???!!!! I've not seen anything about THIS in the news. That would be quite something.

 

[stopcrazypp]

Huh? Where do you get this info?

???!!!! I've not seen anything about THIS in the news. That would be quite something.

I think he is talking about the IDS concept car, which many have speculated the next gen Leaf would be based on.
Nissan IDS Concept With 550 km Range* Makes European Debut (Gallery, Videos)

 

[McRat]

Nissan claims it is putting a 60kWh battery in the 2018 Leaf.

So there will probably be 3 affordable long range EVs in 2018 if not more.

 

[sandpiper]

Nissan claims it is putting a 60kWh battery in the 2018 Leaf.

So there will probably be 3 affordable long range EVs in 2018 if not more.

Ah... okay. It still looks pretty concept-y, but certainly there's no reason that Nissan couldn't do it.

 

[renim]

I think he is talking about the IDS concept car, which many have speculated the next gen Leaf would be based on.
Nissan IDS Concept With 550 km Range* Makes European Debut (Gallery, Videos)

thats correct

and a couple more links,
600km JC08 Nissan: 600 km (370 miles) Range On A Single Charge Is No Fantasy

dailykanban photos of 60kWh pack
http://dailykanban.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leaf_material/60kWh battery_02.jpg compared to current 24/30kWh pack

 

[renim]

http://dailykanban.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Leaf_material/Aerosynamics Slides.pdf

could be renamed, how to increase LEAF 2 range by 10% per kWh compare to LEAF 1

 

[int32_t]

Now we just need Toyota to wake up and realize that fool cells aren't doing anybody any good, and we'll have the competition Tesla was wanting in the first place! A Leaf with competitive range like that would be a legitimate Model 3 competitor.

Wait, except for Superchargers.

 

[cdub]

Of course. That is why any good survivalist will have a hand operated pump to get the gas out of the tank.

But gas stations can also add solar power for the pumps...or at least to keep the sodas cool.

How'd this thread u-turn into the Zombie Apocalypse? Is that where GM is taking us?

 

[Sunlight]

Hmmmmm - that IDS is quite radical and would look pretty stupid (and useless) on a farm!

But give us EV range and performance in a suv/van/mpv version and we could be tempted if it were more feasible than the Model 3 in South Africa (OK maybe just as a stopgap.....)

 

[Jersey Shore Tom]

There is not a EV grid in North America. With 2 proprietary and one SAE standard, there probably never will be. It opens the gate to each MFR to do a proprietary charge format.

Assuming it stays at 3 formats for charging, it will be 50 years at the current level of expansion to match the ICE infrastructure. And guess what? EV's need more density for the same volume of cars. Many EVs are less than 100 miles, and charge rates will never match liquid fuel miles per minute rates.

So for the indefinite future, the EV grid will be busted. The MFRs chose it to be broken, so it is. At least GM went SAE which was a spec Tesla participated in.

There are 4 million miles of roads in the US alone. And 125,000 fueling locations. Or 1 per 32 miles. DCFC? About 1 per 4000 miles?

I could be wrong, but I suspect that most of the more than 69 Million single family homes in the US have a 220 volt circuit that will completely charge a Tesla overnight. What's that, about 17 places to charge per mile.

Like most folks I'll need to charge away from home maybe 10 trips a year. Doubling the number of Superchargers and quadrupling the number of Destination Chargers in the next two years will work quite nicely for me. I'd guess it will work for many other people as well.

 

[SageBrush]

I could be wrong, but I suspect that most of the more than 69 Million single family homes in the US have a 220 volt circuit that will completely charge a Tesla overnight. What's that, about 17 places to charge per mile.

A NEMA 14-50 (I hope I have the terminology right) is 9.6 kW on a 240V, 50A circuit so ~ 35 mph charging for an M3. Close to two cars charged from empty to full overnight in the summer

 

[Drivin]

Nissan claims it is putting a 60kWh battery in the 2018 Leaf.

So there will probably be 3 affordable long range EVs in 2018 if not more.

Well, maybe 3. The Model 3 was announced for deliveries starting late 2017.
But that is Tesla time.

 

[Drivin]

I think he is talking about the IDS concept car, which many have speculated the next gen Leaf would be based on.
Nissan IDS Concept With 550 km Range* Makes European Debut (Gallery, Videos)

Nice link, thanks!

Whoa, suicide doors!

I like the design.

Fun times!

 

[Topher]

35 mph charging for an M3.

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Can I start a campaign to use mRph or Rmph for the concept of adding eletricity to a car battery to enable it to drive more miles. Let's not actively try to increase confusion of people new to elecrtric cars (presumably some of the 400,000 reservation).

Thank you kindly.