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Indeed!
My Model S is one year old now and it has 51.000km on the odo-meter. I don't have all the new features. Do I care? NO! Would I buy a AWD if I bought a Model S now? YES!
But I'm just very, very, very happy with my Model S. I already have the Tesla-grin for a year. AWD can't beat that.
Agreed!Agree. And calling people 'fanboys' is just an outright dismissal of their views painting them as thoughtless followers. Just like others calling the people raising concerns whiners.
Considering the discussion in multiple threads, I'm sure I'm one of the ones being painted as a "fanboy". Nothing could be further from the truth. Read my posts in other areas, I criticize Tesla a lot, on all sorts of subjects, every time I see that they have done something wrong. Thing is, in this case they did everything right, and then even gave some features away for free as a bonus, it just doesn't get any better than that.
And for those wanting the price to go up. Should they raise the price every time they change anything? Who will buy the million dollar model S? No, technology as a rule gets better AND cheaper over time, that's the way this works. Sure Tesla needs to make a profit margin, but they also have to sell the product at a price people will pay, continual price increases could actually erode the amount of money they make. If they have managed to improve their cost structure, they SHOULD pass it on to consumers, even if that means that the guy who buys next week gets a better product for less money than the guy who bought today. Tesla already has a higher margin on the Model S than the industry average by quite a bit, there's no need to ratchet it up further just to make some previous owner feel better.
I'm in favour of anything that makes things better for society as a whole, that means I'm in favour of the technology continuing to improve as much as possible, of the most people possible benefiting from any new feature (never holding a feature back for even a day if it was ready to go) and it also means I'm in favour of the price continuing to decline.
I can't even fathom any argument against any of those 3 points. For those who agree with those points, but think Tesla should magically compensate them monetarily (or otherwise), I don't see what the benefit to society is. You already got everything you requested originally. making Tesla pay to innovate is a disincentive to innovate, and doesn't even solve the proposed problem because it only pushes the problem back to whatever the new cutoff point is.
Not able to fathom the argument? It's not a stretch to understand either side of the arguement, it time to open your mind if understanding someone's position on anything is unfathomable.
Having said that, I would never consider purchasing another Sig. Not going to get into that here, though.
Considering the discussion in multiple threads, I'm sure I'm one of the ones being painted as a "fanboy". Nothing could be further from the truth. Read my posts in other areas, I criticize Tesla a lot, on all sorts of subjects, every time I see that they have done something wrong. Thing is, in this case they did everything right, and then even gave some features away for free as a bonus, it just doesn't get any better than that.
And for those wanting the price to go up. Should they raise the price every time they change anything? Who will buy the million dollar model S? No, technology as a rule gets better AND cheaper over time, that's the way this works. Sure Tesla needs to make a profit margin, but they also have to sell the product at a price people will pay, continual price increases could actually erode the amount of money they make. If they have managed to improve their cost structure, they SHOULD pass it on to consumers, even if that means that the guy who buys next week gets a better product for less money than the guy who bought today. Tesla already has a higher margin on the Model S than the industry average by quite a bit, there's no need to ratchet it up further just to make some previous owner feel better.
I'm in favour of anything that makes things better for society as a whole, that means I'm in favour of the technology continuing to improve as much as possible, of the most people possible benefiting from any new feature (never holding a feature back for even a day if it was ready to go) and it also means I'm in favour of the price continuing to decline.
I can't even fathom any argument against any of those 3 points. For those who agree with those points, but think Tesla should magically compensate them monetarily (or otherwise), I don't see what the benefit to society is. You already got everything you requested originally. making Tesla pay to innovate is a disincentive to innovate, and doesn't even solve the proposed problem because it only pushes the problem back to whatever the new cutoff point is.
The first thing they could have done is had their employees informed and ready to give factual and correct information the moment the first car was delivered with the new sensors.
The second thing they could have done is be prepared to proactively give a small amount of money back on the cars without sensors being delivered at the same time as the cars with the new sensors.
I know you wanted Green1's response but I'll take a stab at it.
Point 1: Agreed. But it's hard to keep my staff fully informed and I only have a few employees. Even when employees are informed, getting the message across properly to the client (in my case, or customer in Tesla's case) is often an entirely different matter. More importantly, this would not have stopped the complaints you are seeing here.
Point 2: Disagree. In my opinion, giving a small amount of money back would have made things worse. People buying these cars generally have a lot of money and they want the new goodies - not money back. I see that as rubbing salt in the wound. Also, from a legal standpoint, it may appear to be, or taken as, an admission of wrongdoing, when there was none.
As to the legal bit, that's just silly. They could have just sold it as "Parking Sensors are standard now, here's your $500 back for them."
It's not silly at all. I'm a lawyer and know that unless you get a Release and also document it as being refunded on a strictly without prejudice basis, it will be used against Tesla in Court -- and I would recommend against doing this in any event. As such, it would never get by Tesla's lawyers, despite the fact that it is a bad idea in the first place.
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And I could go on and on. As I trust you will now agree, there's nothing silly at all about my advice.
The linked articles are not cases where liability is established but there is a suggestion of wrongdoing, just as many here have made with Tesla. While you may try to distinguish them, I quite certain Tesla's legal department would advise against your recommendation. At the very least, if you are prepared to acknowledge that there's no hard and fast rule, then my position can't be called "silly". I also suggest that even if you think my arguments are silly, it's not very polite to call my arguments that unless they are obviously silly.
Elon, please don't give up on taking our money to both make us happy and make yourself obscenely wealthy. PLEASE, Elon, PLEASE won't you be so kind???
i don't understand this thread at all.
The linked articles are not cases where liability is established but there is a suggestion of wrongdoing, just as many here have made with Tesla. While you may try to distinguish them, I quite certain Tesla's legal department would advise against your recommendation. At the very least, if you are prepared to acknowledge that there's no hard and fast rule, then my position can't be called "silly". I also suggest that even if you think my arguments are silly, it's not very polite to call my arguments that unless they are obviously silly.