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And what happens when you need warranty work? Pretend to be the previous owner? And if you take over someone's account, it will have their name. Is it really worth all that hassle for the $300-700 a year free suoerchargimg saves you (on a $57,000 car)? I guess if you don't have a way to charge...

What about batteries sold as a part of a solar roof installation?

They're on Tesla's website, but it's a little cumbersome to search for them there since you have to search by zip code. Best bet is to use ev-cpo.com. It's also a little cumbersome and confusing until you get used to it, but you can get a list of every used car Tesla has available, and you can...

I think he meant buying a used one from Tesla where you'd get a 4 year, 50k mile warranty.

I'm assuming the 1 year delay is due to the virus? Frustrating for it to slip a whole year in only a year.

So, let's see, we now have the following promised vehicles: Semi (2019) Roadster with 620+ miles of range (2019) CyberTruck with 500+ miles of range for $70k (2021) Model S Plaid with 520+ miles of range and <2 seconds 0-60 (2021). $25k car (with no name and no time frame)

Exactly. How and when does this new technology affect the actual products? That's what investors want to know. And that's why the SP is down markedly after hours.

Been long since 2012. I have the right to be disappointed. Been there before. Been right occasionally, been wrong occasionally, but always stay long and strong. Always will. Now,

I'm praying there's some actual substance at the end if this thing. Like an encore. I've rarely been so disappointed. Shorts will feast.

This is what we waited from April to September for? Essentially, they've theorized some great improvements in the battery and manufacturing, but we won't see the fruits of it for 2 or 3 years (or maybe by 2030). Absolutely NOTHING new today - no increased range, no refreshed S or X, did not...

Wow. Skipped over Plaid very quickly, but then said it was available for order now, and available in about a year. Not even a picture of the actual car. And don't have a name for the $25k car. Definitely little thought has gone into that car. And then have no idea who's asking the questions...

Yea, he looks very pale and overweight. He doesn't look healthy at all. And gees, he sounds terrible. I can barely follow him. It's actually quite disturbing.

Dang, I am so mad about this supercharger. Last week, we were driving on A1A and wanted some Starbucks. We decided to just go to the one in Ft Pierce, and then just jump on I-95 for the remainder of our drive. As we passed the Wawa, my wife commented, "There's a Wawa. I wonder if they'll add a...

Any news on this Supercharger?

Statements like these are the exact reason it's taking so long for EVs to gain significant market share. The goal wasn't to be fair to manufacturers or to help manufacturers make money, the goal was to create an industry of EV manufacturing. Who cares about being fair to Ford or GM, or anyone...

So why not x number of rebates? Why do it by brand?

Why not unlimited if the goal is to sell EVs?

My gosh, that's a lot of words, yet you said nothing. WTF?

Yea, that's been known for a while.

I went by yesterday - no change. Still looks like it did 3 months ago. Disappointing.

Oh boy, another Tesla-killer disappointment for the haters. Lucid released some pricing details for the Air. After the media claimed the Air would have 517 miles of range, and cost less than $100k, it seems that was nothing more than a pipe dream. In reality, the top trim level version will be...

Supercharge.info gets its information from sources such as this forum, or other discussion forums - so don't take it as some type of official designation. It's sort of a group-info site sort of like group funding. It's a highly useful sight and I've been using it since 2013 where there were like...

I found a permit for Tesla at 8805 Abercorn St in Savannah. I went and checked it out. It's actually an old dealership building - sort of. It was built as a building for a small dealership with a lease contract already in place. For whatever reason, the deal fell through and the building has...

Hell, I don't disagree with you at all. I've constantly said that we don't need to bring any manufacturing jobs back to America. They're low paying and do little for the economy. But, I'll say it again, manufacturing doesn't belong in California. And it seems you are agreeing with me. If people...

So SpaceX built that factory in Hawthorne? Re-read my post and try again.

I'm thinking I made a lot of California people mad with this post. :eek: Why come y'all don't ever get mad at Elon when he says the same thing?

Right. That's inline with what I stated.

Again, be mad at Elon for insulting you - not me. 'The energy in China is great. People there, there's like a lot of smart, hard working people. And they're really, they're not entitled, they're not complacent. [emphasis added] 'Whereas I see in the United States increasingly much more...

Honestly, it may just be a U.S. thing, and not a California thing now. I'm afraid no one really knows how to work hard in the U.S. any more. And I'm not sure why you guys keep questioning ME on this. I didn't say it - Elon did. Did you guys not see this? 'The energy in China is great. People...

I didn't say it - Elon did. Be mad at him. I've never been to Cali and don't run a business there, so I don't know. I was just going by what the guy who employs several thousand workers there stated. I sure haven't seen Tesla or SpaceX build a massive factory in California to leverage all those...

Lucid is on record stating the battery is much less than 130 kWh, and the range was determined by an independent testing company simulating the EPA test. Car and driver even vouched that the range is far greater than a Model S Long Range Plus (though they were not testing a production ready...

Talk about a horribly written paragraph. He states that the battery is rumored to be LESS THAN 130 kWh, then says if it is, it will be about 30% larger than Tesla's. So, 110 is less than 130. Is 110 thirty percent more than 100? NO!! I mean, who wrote this ignorant crap? Heck, is even 129...

The funny thing is, I'll sit there and try to calculate it all out in my mind. I've even rolled into the garage with 3 miles of range before to keep from stopping - probably saved 5 minutes overall. :) I will say this - it's hard for me to drive less than 75, but I'll do it occasionally. Even...

I will say this - all things being equal (which obviously they are not at this point), Tesla will not be able to compete with Lucid if they continue to build cars in Fremont. Lucid is building their factory in Arizona I believe. As Elon stated a week ago, California workers have a sense of...

That's the problem with all this information - it's hard to get all of the facts. We'll see what happens in a few months. I think they are revealing the production model on September 9th. I'm sure they will offer tests with the car after that. I would be surprised if they would announce 517...

True, but if you have to stop and charge to make your destination at least one more time, you are far better off to slow down and avoid the stop (if possible). The time it takes to replenish the mileage lost from driving higher speeds far exceeds the time saved driving fast. The only time I...

Man, you didn't read the article did you? This is NOT Lucid stating their numbers - this is Car and Driver AND an independent testing company simulating the exact EPA test. Also, can you PLEASE post a source for these things you post? Like "The fact that it has been prove/shown that a Raven S...

Do you have a source for the 30% larger battery? According to Car and Driver, the battery is much smaller now. Lucid Air EV Has a Projected 517 Miles of Range "Lucid recently shared its slippery 0.21 drag coefficient, and earlier this year, at an event for reservation holders, Rawlinson showed...

You might want to read this article. Car and driver tested the car right along side a Model S Long Range Plus with 402 EPA rated range. When the Model S went into limp mode at 357 miles, the Air still had 20% capacity left. No, that's not over 500, but it is in the neighborhood of 460 miles at...

If the Lucid Air truly gets an EPA range of over 500 miles, that would negate much of the supercharger network advantage that I thought Tesla would enjoy for many years. For most people, they rarely travel over 400 miles in a day, much less 500. I've always said that the best way to eliminate...

I saw this article was promoted as great ammunition by the shorts and haters today. Upon reading it, I felt sure that these shorts and haters had not actually read the article. Essentially, the author states that Tesla vehicles driven by people with AP engaged, who are not attentive, are about...

So, Tesla can make more money selling batteries than cars? That's what you believe?

Why would Tesla sell powertrains and batteries to a company, who must the turn around and make money on the car, when Tesla could just build the car and make ALL of the money? Selling batteries to other companies so THEY can make money is NOT a money maker for Tesla! It is helping the mission...

The RAV4 EV was a California compliance car with about 115 miles of range. I tried to buy one in Georgia for my daughter but was told the warranty would not be honored - and no service would be provided. So, it's not like Toyota pulled the rug, there never was a rug - the car served a purpose...

But, he didn't say the technology would be licensed. Read it again. He said the software would be licensed and the powertrains and batteries would be supplied. I've always thought that batteries were what was holding Tesla up from building and selling more cars. At least that's what Elon has...

I'm wondering the same thing. How did we go from being battery constrained to being able to build batteries for other companies?

Do you live in an apartment or something with no access to charge?

Uh oh. Here we go again. For [no] arguments sake, I totally agree with you - please don't repeat what you just said all over again. It won't make it any more or less true. I do have to ask though. Why not just state your negativity straight out, and not bother trying to camouflage it with...

You're starting to get super repetitive and irritating. We get your point. We got it 20 posts ago. Can you please either move on to another negative topic (and try not to beat it in the ground this time), or just sell your Tesla shares and buy Ford or GM, or any of the truthful car companies...

Just an FYI on this whole Supercharger broken promise discussion that seems to be so important at the moment. Tesla has ALWAYS adapted their business plan as needed. For example, there was a time when Elon believed, like Fred, that EVs don't need any more range than it takes to make it from...