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I'd assume the last three days of trading are simply following the market. Market red on Friday, so was Tesla. Market green yesterday and today, ditto Tesla.
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I'd assume the last three days of trading are simply following the market. Market red on Friday, so was Tesla. Market green yesterday and today, ditto Tesla.
The more I think about these negotiations with German government about the construction of GF in Germany, it becomes clearer just what an exceptional opportunity this might be. The play is clearly due to the high electricity prices in Germany and an immediate economic viability of Tesla home and commercial/industrial energy storage products, but there are several synergies here.
Providing incentives for such a factory potentially could allow Germany to invest in the highly automated manufacturing facility which will be employing highly skilled workforce, in the industry with a huge growth prospects - just the type of manufacturing Germany is known to support.
For Tesla, such a factory not only provides energy storage manufacturing capability in the most attractive European market, but also allows adjacent opportunity of manufacturing automotive battery packs in Europe, so they are not shipped from the Fremont factory. This will lower Tesla automotive costs, which will result in higher automotive margins.
And any new German GF can't come soon enough to accommodate any growth in German data centers that will result from Safe Harbor issues.
Microsoft sets up data centers in Germany amid US surveillance concerns | Computerworld
Microsoft sets up data centers in Germany amid US surveillance concerns | Computerworld
a GF in Germany probably next year ??
http://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/i...aft.1e85e567-c2be-47b0-9d20-5889c66329d9.html
http://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/i...aft.1e85e567-c2be-47b0-9d20-5889c66329d9.html
RobStark
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1) Giving money to corporations is never popular.
2) Tell that to the 2M unemployed Germans.
3) Why coddle a German industry that refuses to innovate? That usually leads to permanent decline.
4) No kidding. You can't escalate the bidding war if you only have one bidder.
Causalien
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I think Romania would be a good choice.
Relatively low wage and large population of educated unemployed. Good amount of English speaking population. Huge amount of empty land, ensuring low cost of buying and relatively stable for a while.
Johan
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Germany would be a good fit for a battery factory for several reasons:
- Long standing tradition for high quality, high tech, high volume manufacturing.
- Most serious EU country when it comes to making a truly green transition (see solar incentives for one)
- Domestic car manufacturers will definitely want to secure access to volume production of high quality, state of the art, best bang-for-buck batteries. I'm thinking WV, BMW, Mercedes, Audi (for mainly press release reasons when it comes to Audi). These big OEMs are vital to the German national economy, employment etc. And the government are large owners. Trust me Germany's national interests and the interests of BMW/Audi/Daimler/VW do overlap to a large extent.
Slovenia could be a dark horse. They have some very attractive tax incentives in place to attract large foreign investors in modern industry projects.
- Long standing tradition for high quality, high tech, high volume manufacturing.
- Most serious EU country when it comes to making a truly green transition (see solar incentives for one)
- Domestic car manufacturers will definitely want to secure access to volume production of high quality, state of the art, best bang-for-buck batteries. I'm thinking WV, BMW, Mercedes, Audi (for mainly press release reasons when it comes to Audi). These big OEMs are vital to the German national economy, employment etc. And the government are large owners. Trust me Germany's national interests and the interests of BMW/Audi/Daimler/VW do overlap to a large extent.
Slovenia could be a dark horse. They have some very attractive tax incentives in place to attract large foreign investors in modern industry projects.
Thanks
.Could be a smart move too as it might change the view of Tesla being a foreign carmaker to one also creating new jobs in Germany, which could help selling more cars. People from countries without their own car manufactureres might not care as much where their cars come from, but otherwise there is a bit of a national sentiment involved I guess.
larmor
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Point 2 is very impt and probably the most compelling reason for GF in germany. Batteries for autos is small market compared to industries needing electricity and wanting to save $$ from early morning rate spikes on businesses...
I suspect the conference in Paris will probably determine what direction any stock tied to clean energy goes over the next few months/years. There was a lot of talk about banks freeing up billions of dollars to invest in companies that will positively impact the world and address climate change. I wonder if banks/ impact investment funds, are waiting until its confirmed what the rules of the game will be going forward, and where countries stand in terms of support.
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MitchJi
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Incorrect because today they added 310's. I found this:
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And this:
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Antz, great article. My favorite three sentences are as follows:
Dan Dolev, an analyst with Jefferies, recently predicted that the Gigafactory’s huge volumes will help cut the cost of Tesla’s batteries in half, essentially making the Model 3 possible. That’s why Musk is pitching home battery packs. "If we can create huge demand for batteries," Straubel continues, it will create "this virtuous cycle of reducing prices further."
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The media told us what a sweet deal Tesla got from Nevada to build Gigafactory I. Wait until they find out the deal that Germany will be offering Tesla to build Gigafactory II. It will be no surprise if land, taxes, and construction costs/financing are offered, much like what New York State offered Solar City to build the solar panel gigafactory in Buffalo. Interesting times.
And in case anyone is really questioning Elon's ability to get it done, it looks like SpaceX will win the military launch contracts as ULA was unable to submit a compliant bid.
I'm pretty sure any issues on the X will be resolved in the next few weeks / month or two
I'm pretty sure any issues on the X will be resolved in the next few weeks / month or two
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