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“Tesla doesn’t get to dictate where we put our chargers”
The reasons for this fail, given by rivian.
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Model Y Competition: Rivian R2 Price & Specs Leaked! -- $47500, 0-60 3 Sec, 330 Miles Range
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“Tesla doesn’t get to dictate where we put our chargers”
The reasons for this fail, given by rivian.
One thing people keep ignoring is efficiency. How good will the efficiency be on the R2. The R1 is awful.
I think in the long run efficiency is gonna hold back the Cybertruck.
Even the X for it’s size and weight does quite good at efficiency.
A lot of the public assume all EV’s are super efficient. That’s partly why Ford backed off on the Lightning.
I think in the long run efficiency is gonna hold back the Cybertruck.
Even the X for it’s size and weight does quite good at efficiency.
A lot of the public assume all EV’s are super efficient. That’s partly why Ford backed off on the Lightning.
gtae07
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That's at best a secondary consideration to most buyers. To a point they care about some of the "side effects" like charge time, and purchase price... but with charging costs generally being much lower per mile than gas, the greater consumption isn't right there in people's faces.
The WT gets 2:1. Rivian (R1S) is roughly the same. CT is also roughly the same.
Comparing the current X to them, is like adding in the 3/Y, it muddies the data with cars vs trucks. Brick walls vs water drops.
all it took to stop my f150L purchase was crash photos. Front Passenger tends to be sacrificed in a offside collision, it’s been happening since they went to the aluminum body Aka not unique to the L.
It matters to me. I have an R2 reservation, mostly in hopes that they'll announce tow capacity of 5000 lbs and we can replace our X. However, if the R2 is consuming north of 450Wh/mi, I'll reconsider. My Y lifetime consumption is at 261Wh/mi over 30k miles, which includes a lot of mountain highway driving.
It’s lower per mile in some places but not in a lot of places. And a lot of superchargers are very high.
My Model S runs about equal to a 35 mpg in my area.
A 400 wh/mi would be about equal to a 25 mpg in my area.
Check out these charts.
From what I've read, it sounds like they are anticipating curbside charging for the future.
gx9901
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I guess keep an eye on Fisker Oceans to see what happens in that scenario.
Seriously though, in my opinion, if Rivian can get to mass production of R2 before going bell up, they will make it as automaker.
You become an orphan and pray that the walled garden of parts/service tools are avail.
Or you pray that people(person) who have rebuilt the vehicles without the company’s blessing, are willing to help the masses.
Their service mode leaves much to be desired, it’s a glorified set of gauges.
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Look to old fiskar karma and the few shops that took on fixing the problems with the hvac/DU/HV.I guess keep an eye on Fisker Oceans to see what happens in that scenario.
Seriously though, in my opinion, if Rivian can get to mass production of R2 before going bell up, they will make it as automaker.
How does riv go from losing ~33k per vehicle sold, to more R&D (DU, HV packs) for the R1, to ‘here comes an R2&3&3x’? Seems like the interest free loan from preorders would have to be YUGE.
If there is some impending European curbside charging network coming, maybe it's a good gamble.
The vast majority of ev charging in the US is at home, where it really doesn't matter what side the plug is on.
However, it does put a wrinkle in travel and the ease of using NACS. I guess someone could sell a short extension cable
otherwise how do you get around taking two spaces?
The vast majority of ev charging in the US is at home, where it really doesn't matter what side the plug is on.
However, it does put a wrinkle in travel and the ease of using NACS. I guess someone could sell a short extension cable
otherwise how do you get around taking two spaces?
It’s already there.
Many posters here talk about moving the chargeport being an issue with their home charging.
Tesla is looking into it and another company as well.
Tesla’s official docs say to block as many spaces as needed and no more than that.
That makes a lot of sense. Some solve it by having a L2 inlet on both sides, but I'm sure that adds cost.
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