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Model S Plaid Track Package Waiting Room
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Chill Ms Cleo chill.
Any garage monkey can deduce that there’s much more to assessing tire construction and perf characteristics than a poke test.
My personal ps4s obs only. Maybe it’s the weight. Maybe it’s different compounds used. The T2s are a wonderful, stickier street tire compared to the non oem spec I’ve run in other cars I’ve owned.
Ps can you pls do me a favor and do your stick test on the bmw g80 star PS4s?
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PR0FESSOR
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Oh… if we are doing stick tests, can you also do a stick test on my roosters. They keep on trying to attack me when my back is to them, and my “Stick Test” isn’t working!
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MFrunkerOG
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The composition of the tire compounds is detectable with a durometer. In your words, using a dumb stick test, going across the tread watching the levels on the meter change. I can easily prove your statement about t2's being "extra sticky" completely false, with ease.
The reason the T spec tires pick up more material is because the sipes are designed differently to decrease rolling resistance to help with EPA range ratings. Range is also one of the reasons why T spec tires have 1mm less tread depth than white label PS4S, more tread = more resistance, less weight on the tire = more efficiency. The T spec PS4S also have wider tread than white label PS4S do as well so the profile is more blocky in this specific instance.
Your "trust me bro, the T2 stands for extra sticky" doesn't replace factual data. Especially when you're trying to compare tires on two completely different platforms and are making statements from pure conjecture.
Yes, it's as dependable of a test as you can do without having a lab analysis done. Durometers are what we use at the race track to gauge tire softness for whatever guidelines apply to that race. You're not going to find similar purpose tires that gauge at 90 that is more sticky than a tire that gauges at 40, it's simply not going to happen. To his specific point, he said that T2 tires are "extra sticky" They gauge identical to T0 & T1 all the way across, with minimal changes to the width of the bands where the tire changes between softer and harder compounds.
I don't have personal experience with either tire. But if there's truly a measurable difference in the amount of road debris sticking to the T2 tires despite same/similar durometer results - sounds like that lab analysis is exactly what you'd need to make the determination as to why they behave differently.
You can pound on your keyboard and stick poke at your rubber collection all day, but without actual objective data to stake claim that the t2s are no different performing tires than non t2s is Ms Cleo inane.
Car forum engineer flex.
But hey maybe he is a Michelin tire tester. 
Hi bro,
If I want to buy
- 1420645-00-A (rear left) and 1420646-00-A (rear right)
- Where I can find these calipers
calipers
You can pound on your keyboard and stick poke at your rubber collection all day, but without actual objective data to stake claim that the t2s are no different performing tires than non t2s is Ms Cleo inane.
Car forum engineer flex.
Ok, you made the claim they are "extra sticky". What empirical evidence is used to make that determination? Because I have data that disproves your 'trust me bro' claims.
There's not an excess amount of debris being picked up by a t2 tire. I'd be willing to bet $1k that he has not ran anything other than a t2 on his Tesla so he has absolutely nothing to compare it to.
People like to make claims and not have any supporting evidence, then say it's the other person's responsibility to prove their claim incorrect. That's not the way it works. If you've noticed, I posted pics of 3 different types of the 21 tires, showing I've personally had them. He's posted nothing other than a statement about how his Tesla tires pick up more debris than his tires on a different car. Which is kind of like saying you can throw a football further than you can hit a baseball with a bat, because you played chess in college once.
I never claimed to have any empirical evidence yet you bring in your stick game from your keyboard pounding pulpit with ego pics of your rubber collection as if it’s PS4S gospel.
You egotistical forum engineering types run rampant online. What’s absolute fact is neither you or I have access to Michelin and Tesla’s technical and testing docs to bring actual worthwhile data to the table.
Keep preaching from your tire patch. If you have access do share. And you’ve yet to respond to doing your stick test on the g80 tire. Pretty please?
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The ones I'm making are about as good as you can get without looking utilitarian. They'll be able to be pivoted around the grommet to go further out at the top or bottom, whichever area you need more protection from depending on the tire.
Awiner
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I guess there’s not much to say as most of it’s all been said before, but as a newbie to this forum, I would like to chime in. Never in my life have I ever become excited over a set of brakes, but I found out after having the track package installed on my 2023 plaid, that lack of emotion was out of ignorance on my part as to how much more exciting a car can be with a set of brakes like this. My car is lowered with N2itive lowering links and adjustable camber arms to eliminate inner tire wear. my local Tesla service center here in Dallas didn’t blink about installing the track package even though I had aftermarket suspension parts on my car. I was very hesitant to spend 22K on something that I didn’t even know if I needed or would use but now that I have it, I can’t begin to imagine having a model S plaid without the track package! the stopping power of the brakes is mind-boggling and instill a tremendous amount of confidence in me when driving my car. Having a three time world, champion race car driver do laps on an F1 track before and after my track package was installed was nothing short of a miracle in his terms. He went from telling me my model S plaid would never be a good track car and then after he drove it with the package, he was completely shocked and one of his many quotes were “this is really something, it boggles my mind” and he did better lap times in my car after only three laps than he previously had done in his own personal 2021 F8 Ferrari. I’ve never been a track guy before and I’ve never even been on a track in any car but now I’m hooked and I’m taking lessons from the driver I mentioned and my car is a completely different than it was before. All I can say is that if any of you are considering buying the track package, it has increased the fun level for me 10x. Prior to getting the track package I ran 21 inch Forge line rims, which I love with the Michelin pilot sport tires. I don’t care for the look of the wheels the track package comes with so I’m going to order another set of Forgeline rims but instead of 21 inch obviously I’ll order the 20 inch and retrofit the Goodyear track pack tires on those rims and switch out rims and tires depending on if I’m on the track or driving for a few weeks on the street because I don’t want to wear out my track tires on the street because I tend to put a lot of miles on my plaid because I’m hooked and I can’t stay out of my car. Anyway, that’s my two cents !
Two pictures are attached. One with my Forgeline gold rims, and the other after the track pack was installed with the track package rims and tires. Oh, and on a sidenote, a rim and tire that comes with the track package is 7 pounds heavier than my 21 inch Forge line rim with the Michelin pilot sport tire. My Forgeline rims are insanely lightweight compared to other rims on the market so that’s probably the difference.
Two pictures are attached. One with my Forgeline gold rims, and the other after the track pack was installed with the track package rims and tires. Oh, and on a sidenote, a rim and tire that comes with the track package is 7 pounds heavier than my 21 inch Forge line rim with the Michelin pilot sport tire. My Forgeline rims are insanely lightweight compared to other rims on the market so that’s probably the difference.
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