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MAR2023: My Experience Driving 1,367mi Down Into California and Back

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Just drove down into CA and back home on a road trip with my family of five.
- Drove 1,367mi total.
- Used TESLA Superchargers mostly.
- Average TESLA Supercharger price: $0.40/kWh (MIN: $0.34/kWh | MAX: $0.48/kWh)
NOTE: I pay an average of $0.08353/kWh to charge at home, so paying $0.48/kWh is an abomination!!!
- Longest TESLA Supercharger Charge Time*: 50min (Est.) @ 250kW
- Longest non-Supercharger Charge Time*: 2.5hrs @ 8kW (32A)
- Spent $176.96 total on charging**.
- Total trip cost ICE equivalent (24mpg): $209.15 (Est. @ $3.67/gal)

* Charging sessions where we actively sat and waited, not counting charging passively at the hotel, etc.
** Charged FREE overnight at one hotel and paid a flat $10.00 twice to slow charge at an RV park in BFE.

Takeaways...

We have driven this trip and this specific route many times over the years, and it normally takes about 10.5hrs (in our ICE vehicle @ 24mpg) including stops for fuel and restroom breaks; plus, we lose 1hr going to CA and gain 1hr coming home (due to the time change). Heading to CA in our TESLA Model Y took us 15.5hrs, including time spent charging and restroom breaks, etc. There was substantial range anxiety on the way to CA, especially, because the normal route we would take was beyond the actual range of our TESLA (but not beyond the rated range). Our Model Y is rated at 321mi of range, but our first TESLA Supercharger was 254mi from our home (we left our home with 100% SOC). After much stress, we found an RV park in BFE (about 45min from the first TESLA Supercharger along our route) that allowed us to charge using my NIMA 14-50 TESLA Mobile Connector @ 8kW (32A) for a flat $10.00. Our SOC was very low, so we charged up there to about 15% SOC before heading on to the TESLA Supercharger, but by the time we arrived at that first TESLA Supercharger 45min away, we had -4% SOC. (Not kidding! NEGATIVE 4% SOC!!!) Not only did this stress us out immensely (we thought we weren't going to make it), but I feared that going below 0% may have damaged our battery pack. (It still may have damaged it and we don't even know it!) While at that first TESLA Supercharger along our route, we charged 81kWh in about 35-45min. My Model Y supposedly only has a battery pack that is 78.3kWh, so explain that one to me!

Why didn't you just enter your destination and follow the on-screen GPS and charge accordingly, you ask???? Well, because we always go that route, for one thing. Plus, the route that the car wanted us to follow was going to take us 2hrs in the wrong direction, which made no sense to me. I track my normal TESLA driving efficiency using the TezLab app, so I figured that I should be able to travel the 254mi from a 100% SOC if I go slower (I normally speed, going 10-15mi over the speed limit). I then drove 55mph and 60mph the whole way until our first charge, which seemed to help little or not at all. Tractor trailers were getting mad at me, passing me ASAP along the two lane highway.

Once we were near civilization and were able to use ALL TESLA Superchargers, it was a breeze and wasn't stressful at all, although it definitely added time to our drives. We knew we could charge for $10 at that RV park along our normal route on the way back, so that is what we did. Unfortunately, I did not know that you cannot install a software update while charging (or while driving) the TESLA, so shortly after I began charging @ 8kW (32A) at the RV park, I started the software installation, which promptly cut off my charging session, which fact I did not realize until about 25min into the install, which installation took about 35min total. We made sure to charge up to 100% SOC at that last TESLA Supercharger before heading to that RV park toward home. (This was the first TESLA Supercharger on our way to CA.) We had a 78% SOC when we arrived at the RV park, and we charged up to 95% SOC before heading on for home. We had 3% SOC when we arrived home. It was MUCH less stressful driving and charging on the way home than it was on the way to CA, but it still was not stress-free.

We learned the hard way on the drive home (after seeing the "red steering wheel of death" about 3x) that if you manually exceed the MAX speed TESLA allows for auto-steer (85mph), then that feature will be disabled for the rest of the drive. So, we kept having to pull over while driving on a two-lane highway; put the TESLA in PARK; open the driver door briefly; and then pull back out onto the highway to regain the use of this feature. Maybe I'm spoiled, but driving for hours and hours on a two-lane highway WITHOUT auto-steer sucks! (NOTE: Our HONDA Odyssey has lane keeping, which works well on a road trip, although it is not as good as TESLA's Autopilot.) We also experienced several instances of phantom braking that was most unpleasant. Our HONDA Odyssey has never once done this, and it has adaptive cruise control. It seems like Autopilot gets scared as the TESLA approaches the top of a ridge in the road.

Also, while we love how much storage our Model Y has, it really makes things fairly tight, as some of the rear storage space is deceptive and cannot fully be utilized while allowing the rear lift gate to latch shut. You must leave about a 6-8in gap between where the rear lift gate appears to close and your luggage or cooler, or else the rear lift gate will not close. I also did everything I could to avoid placing stored items on top of the rear shelf, but it could not be avoided on the way home, as we purchased some bags of merchandise. The frunk was fully utilized and so was the lower storage area below the rear cargo space (as well as the rear cargo space).

One other strange thing that occurred is that twice while I was charging at a 250kW TESLA Supercharger, steam or smoke started to rise from the passenger side, seemingly from underneath the hood of the car (under the frunk). This only lasted about 30sec or less, and both times it happened while it was colder and raining outside (maybe 47°F). Because it was wet out, it could have been steam from the thermal realities of Supercharging, or it could have been smoke. There were also a lot of clicks and a few thud noises that occurred while I was Supercharging.

I have estimated (pretty accurately, I might add) that we saved about $32 driving the Model Y on our road trip, as opposed to our ICE minivan that gets 24mpg and is much larger and more comfortable for the passengers. Was it worth it? I am unconvinced, even though I love driving my Model Y. However, my family all said that they wished we had taken the minivan.

I think the main takeaway is that until charging can be done even more quickly than it is today and until fast-charging locations are more prevalent than gas stations are today, then road trips in an EV for periods longer than 4-6hrs are not worth it, IMO. We would normally drive this route with a full tank of gas when leaving home and would have to stop once to fill up along the way, which is also our main potty break and food stop. This would add about 30min to our drive. Until EV's can do likewise, I am not sure that it makes sense to drive an EV on such a long road trip instead of an ICE vehicle. We hope to get a CyberTruck soon, but no one really knows how large and comfortable (or not) that EV will be. TESLA doesn't really make any large/r sized vehicles. The Model X is smaller than our HONDA Odyssey, which minivan is reasonably comfortable on a long road trip. (We drove it about 5,000mi on a 2.5wk road trip last summer and we were decently comfortable.) I could not imagine driving our Model Y on the same 5,000mi road trip. Also, I am utterly disappointed with the lack of savings from charging while driving our TESLA Model Y on road trips. My home electricity price per kWh is amazing, but I think it's ridiculous that I should have to pay 5x that price OR MORE to charge up on a road trip. That's the whole point of owning an EV! I've already paid damn near double to purchase this vehicle, so I should be getting more savings over ICE than a mere 15% at the Superchargers! (NOTE: My state also charges an additional $154 per year for my TESLA auto registration because it's an EV and I don't pay the fuel tax.)


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You both should qualify for getting FSD.

Start with the subscription so you can understand it before committing such a large amount of money to buy the full license.

As far as HW 3 vs 4, there are some articles showing the difference in the front camera but to date, I haven’t heard that those vehicles are getting anything special with FSD vs anyone else.

My 2017 MS with originally having HW 2.0 (now 3) has FSD.

based on what i've read - there are no HW4 out in the wild yet., or very few high end X may have it ?
 
Regarding the original post, I agree with the post. For me EV's are really not great for some road trips. Generally I'm trying to get to a destination and not a big fane of the extra time trips take with charging stops. I know for some it's no problem and that's fine; everyone is different. I love my MY around town, but for most trips I'll take my Highlander until charging locations are more prevalent. Range is interesting, when leaving the house it can be 100% charged but since the recommendation is not to charge over 80% on the road and like a ICE vehicle I fill up at 1/4 tank or 20% on my Y so battery capacity is only about 60-65% on the road. Again indicating more charging locations are needed, particularly if one gets off the beaten path. The Tesla in my mind has a poor ride unless on newly paved highway and this is from a guy who drove a jeep wrangler for 13 years before the Tesla. Yes the Y rides better than the jeep, but not significantly. My opinion.
 
Regarding the original post, I agree with the post. For me EV's are really not great for some road trips. Generally I'm trying to get to a destination and not a big fane of the extra time trips take with charging stops. I know for some it's no problem and that's fine; everyone is different. I love my MY around town, but for most trips I'll take my Highlander until charging locations are more prevalent. Range is interesting, when leaving the house it can be 100% charged but since the recommendation is not to charge over 80% on the road and like a ICE vehicle I fill up at 1/4 tank or 20% on my Y so battery capacity is only about 60-65% on the road. Again indicating more charging locations are needed, particularly if one gets off the beaten path. The Tesla in my mind has a poor ride unless on newly paved highway and this is from a guy who drove a jeep wrangler for 13 years before the Tesla. Yes the Y rides better than the jeep, but not significantly. My opinion.
As to ride quality, I will say that nothing beats a TESLA with air suspension (Model S or X), but I’m glad that my 2023 Model Y has “comfort suspension”. It rides much, much better than the Model Y Performance that I test drove in JUL2022.
 
Regarding the original post, I agree with the post. For me EV's are really not great for some road trips. Generally I'm trying to get to a destination and not a big fane of the extra time trips take with charging stops. I know for some it's no problem and that's fine; everyone is different. I love my MY around town, but for most trips I'll take my Highlander until charging locations are more prevalent. Range is interesting, when leaving the house it can be 100% charged but since the recommendation is not to charge over 80% on the road and like a ICE vehicle I fill up at 1/4 tank or 20% on my Y so battery capacity is only about 60-65% on the road. Again indicating more charging locations are needed, particularly if one gets off the beaten path. The Tesla in my mind has a poor ride unless on newly paved highway and this is from a guy who drove a jeep wrangler for 13 years before the Tesla. Yes the Y rides better than the jeep, but not significantly. My opinion.

So, you may be the right person to aks.
All my friends completely discard the idea of EV road trip the moment i start going on my rant that goes something like: " yes - need to stop more often, but you're way more relaxed "

So - the question is - Have you actually tried taking your Y on a road trip?
Not attacking - just a genuine question.
I for example, cant imagine taking an ICE car on the road anymore after doing most recent two of them in the EV.
Having said that - I am going on a short one in July where chargers aren't available. While its only 180 miles and i will be able to charge at destination, it is a bit anxiety generating :)
 
So, you may be the right person to aks.
All my friends completely discard the idea of EV road trip the moment i start going on my rant that goes something like: " yes - need to stop more often, but you're way more relaxed "

So - the question is - Have you actually tried taking your Y on a road trip?
Not attacking - just a genuine question.
I for example, cant imagine taking an ICE car on the road anymore after doing most recent two of them in the EV.
Having said that - I am going on a short one in July where chargers aren't available. While its only 180 miles and i will be able to charge at destination, it is a bit anxiety generating :)
I have 155,000 miles in road trips on my 2016 MS and an additional 7,000 miles on my 2021 MY. I agree: it takes a couple hours more on the FL-OH leg than an ICE vehicle but it is way more relaxing. I easily do 12+ hour days without feeling fatigued.
FL-OH-FL 7 times ; OH-NY-OH once; FL-MS-MO-IL-OH-FL twice; OH-Chicago multiple; etc. Road trips more than 1 day.
 
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I have 155,000 miles in road trips on my 2016 MS and an additional 7,000 miles on my 2021 MY. I agree: it takes a couple hours more on the FL-OH let than an ICE but it is way more relaxing. I easily do 12+ hour days without feeling fatigued.
FL-OH-FL 7 times ; OH-NY-OH once; FL-MS-MO-IL-OH-FL twice; OH-Chicago multiple; etc. Road trips more than 1 day.
I put on 10k miles last summer between going through Montana, Colorado and then to Nova Scotia. Yes it takes a bit more time but not a huge difference. I don’t do cannonball run road trips. But I now enjoy road trips much more in my Tesla.
 
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So, you may be the right person to aks.
All my friends completely discard the idea of EV road trip the moment i start going on my rant that goes something like: " yes - need to stop more often, but you're way more relaxed "

So - the question is - Have you actually tried taking your Y on a road trip?
Not attacking - just a genuine question.
I for example, cant imagine taking an ICE car on the road anymore after doing most recent two of them in the EV.
Having said that - I am going on a short one in July where chargers aren't available. While its only 180 miles and i will be able to charge at destination, it is a bit anxiety generating :)
My wife’s parents live 75min away (one-way), which was our first “road trip” for Christmas 2022. The only reason I had to stop at a nearby SC was because I had a stop to make in town (not directly on our route to home) before arriving at home, and my Model Y indicated that I needed to stop at the SC or I wasn’t going to make it all the way home. So, like a good boy, I stopped at the designated SC (first time SC in my car—I had used the SC in Boise with a TESLA loaner Model 3) for just 5min and charged up 8kWh—enough to get me to my stop-off and all the way home.

Short answer: The OP is still our first and only legit “road trip”. I am convinced that the only reason it was so stressful was because of the snafu I caused by driving the “ICE route” that wasn’t adequately able to get me from HOME to SC1. Were it not for that, I am convinced that I would not have experienced range anxiety. That said, the Model Y is just not adequately sized for a family on a road trip. (We are a family of five.) We drive the family to church (35min drive) every week, but that’s about it. It is my daily driver. Can’t wait to see how large CyberTruck actually is. Hoping it will be much more (and appropriately) accommodating for a family of five on road trips than Model Y.

We actually drive from Boise to Nashville typically once per year to visit family. (ICE vs. EV aside—we actually rather enjoy the 3-day road trip and seeing so many beautiful states.) It’s two nights in a hotel, and then we arrive at the end of the third full travel day. The cost to drive (including meals and hotel stays) is far cheaper than flying a family of five and renting a vehicle upon arrival.
 
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We actually drive from Boise to Nashville typically once per year to visit family. (ICE vs. EV aside—we actually rather enjoy the 3-day road trip and seeing so many beautiful states.) It’s two nights in a hotel, and then we arrive at the end of the third full travel day. The cost to drive (including meals and hotel stays) is far cheaper than flying a family of five and renting a vehicle upon arrival.

I hear you.
My daughter lives in the Florida Keys, and so typically the wife will fly to Miami and take a FlexiBus ( $15.00 each way) to get to Marathon. Cheap and quick way to get there if one or two is flying.
When we got the tesla i instantly thought about the road trip to experience the highly hyped supercharging - especially since i got free 10K supercharging miles. ( whoopsy doo - i sticker overpaid by at least 25% buying M3P in mid december haha )
I calculated that in the ICE car- in theory i would've arrived about 3 hours earlier, but am convinced I would have to stop for a nap as ICE driving is far more intense. So much so, i've stopped enjoying road trips about 10 years ago ( im 53 yo).
BTW - last time I made that trip was in the super comfortable and loaded RV. Only made it to Chattanooga, TN and had to stop for a nap.

Anyway - arrived well ahead of my own planned time. I just didn't really believe the tesla routing and charging times so I allowed several hours of extra time to make sure we arrive on Friday AM.
IIRC - 26 hours was about what the NAV predicted and that's what it took. I was absolutely blown, and pretty much relaxed at the end ( wife took the wheel for about 6 hours total giving me some much needed nap in a clever bed she made in the back seat - perfect fit btw)

In summer time, we travel north quite often ( Wisconsin, upper Michigan ). I haven't checked, but suspect Tesla isn't going to be so lucky supercharging there. Planning on a trailer for the RV to haul it behind it for site seeing drives at random destinations.
 
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I hear you.
My daughter lives in the Florida Keys, and so typically the wife will fly to Miami and take a FlexiBus ( $15.00 each way) to get to Marathon. Cheap and quick way to get there if one or two is flying.
When we got the tesla i instantly thought about the road trip to experience the highly hyped supercharging - especially since i got free 10K supercharging miles. ( whoopsy doo - i sticker overpaid by at least 25% buying M3P in mid december haha )
I calculated that in the ICE car- in theory i would've arrived about 3 hours earlier, but am convinced I would have to stop for a nap as ICE driving is far more intense. So much so, i've stopped enjoying road trips about 10 years ago ( im 53 yo).
BTW - last time I made that trip was in the super comfortable and loaded RV. Only made it to Chattanooga, TN and had to stop for a nap.

Anyway - arrived well ahead of my own planned time. I just didn't really believe the tesla routing and charging times so I allowed several hours of extra time to make sure we arrive on Friday AM.
IIRC - 26 hours was about what the NAV predicted and that's what it took. I was absolutely blown, and pretty much relaxed at the end ( wife took the wheel for about 6 hours total giving me some much needed nap in a clever bed she made in the back seat - perfect fit btw)

In summer time, we travel north quite often ( Wisconsin, upper Michigan ). I haven't checked, but suspect Tesla isn't going to be so lucky supercharging there. Planning on a trailer for the RV to haul it behind it for site seeing drives at random destinations.
Yeah, I took delivery of my Model Y in NOV2022, so I’ve now overpaid by about 35%!!!!! 🤕
IIWII (it is what it is)
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If you simply are all about getting thousands of miles away as fast as possible...fly.

If you are conditioned to driving to your destination as fast as possible...Take an ICE.

If you are smart, and want to take your Tesla, you will multitask by using the restroom, taking a walk, getting a meal/snack. walking the dog, catching up on emails etc while you are charging. take a refreshing nap. etc. Make your stops productive instead of just killing time.

The combination of Autopilot and occasional stops means I will arrive much fresher at my destination, that if I had just bombed through.

I remember when Dad would want to constantly "make time" Would drive till the tank was on fumes. Made the trips miserable for everyone else that wanted to use a restroom, stretch our legs, or simply take a break. Did not look forward to family road trips due to his obsession to minimize stops.
 
I remember when Dad would want to constantly "make time" Would drive till the tank was on fumes. Made the trips miserable for everyone else that wanted to use a restroom, stretch our legs, or simply take a break. Did not look forward to family road trips due to his obsession to minimize stops.
HAHAHA - Thats totally me 15, 20 years ago.
Daughters wanted to pee, i'd yell at them " .. you just peed two hours ago - hold it... "
 
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so,
'23 M3P with 2023.6.11, - quick question to the Tesla experts.

1) Am i FSD compatible,
2) Do I purchase the monthly FSD sub for my next road trip ( i have full EAP sub )
3) what is a real difference between the FSD and EAP on the road ( i understand it eventually will make a big difference for city driving, but just curious for road )
4) is every new tesla equipped with the hardware and as such, its just a matter of purchasing the sub, or does one have to get the "FSD ready" unit ( im a bit confused on that)

Thanks in advance
I believe if you’re on the most recent (2023) software you will not be able to use FSD beta. You’ll have to wait until it catches up to your build. Current FSD IS 2022.45.15. I wold wait to subscribe
 
If you simply are all about getting thousands of miles away as fast as possible...fly.

If you are conditioned to driving to your destination as fast as possible...Take an ICE.

If you are smart, and want to take your Tesla, you will multitask by using the restroom, taking a walk, getting a meal/snack. walking the dog, catching up on emails etc while you are charging. take a refreshing nap. etc. Make your stops productive instead of just killing time.

The combination of Autopilot and occasional stops means I will arrive much fresher at my destination, that if I had just bombed through.

I remember when Dad would want to constantly "make time" Would drive till the tank was on fumes. Made the trips miserable for everyone else that wanted to use a restroom, stretch our legs, or simply take a break. Did not look forward to family road trips due to his obsession to minimize stops.
Condescend much????
 
Range is interesting, when leaving the house it can be 100% charged but since the recommendation is not to charge over 80% on the road and like a ICE vehicle I fill up at 1/4 tank or 20% on my Y so battery capacity is only about 60-65% on the road.

There's some subtlety here. You can certainly charge up to 100% on the road, there's a general rule of thumb to stop around 80% because the car slows its charging rate as the battery gets more full. If you're trying to save time, then charge just enough to get to your next charging stop (plus a little extra reserve). That charge level might be more or less than 80%, it depends on your circumstances. The Tesla nav system can help you figure this out.

HOWEVER if you're going to have a long charging stop anyway (say you are eating a meal while you're charging), feel free to let the car go all the way to 100% or whatever. Also, if it's a long distance to your next charging stop and you need more energy in the battery to make it, go as high as you need (as in the situation in the original post). I have done both of these on numerous occasions.

As you get more experience road-tripping you might find yourself adjusting your desired reserves. so under some circumstances you might be willing to let your reserves go down to 15% or 10%.

Anyways, you can use a lot more of the battery than just 60-65%. The thing is that it doesn't really matter exactly how many miles you can get, as long as you can get to your next charging station (with some reserve).

Bruce.
 
Regarding the original post, I agree with the post. For me EV's are really not great for some road trips. Generally I'm trying to get to a destination and not a big fane of the extra time trips take with charging stops. I know for some it's no problem and that's fine; everyone is different. I love my MY around town, but for most trips I'll take my Highlander until charging locations are more prevalent. Range is interesting, when leaving the house it can be 100% charged but since the recommendation is not to charge over 80% on the road and like a ICE vehicle I fill up at 1/4 tank or 20% on my Y so battery capacity is only about 60-65% on the road. Again indicating more charging locations are needed, particularly if one gets off the beaten path. The Tesla in my mind has a poor ride unless on newly paved highway and this is from a guy who drove a jeep wrangler for 13 years before the Tesla. Yes the Y rides better than the jeep, but not significantly. My opinion.
I do the round trip between FL and Indianapolis frequently and with over 170,000 miles of Tesla road trips under my belt I find that it only takes an extra 1 - 1 1/2 hours over two days. When I first started these trips there were far fewer charging locations than now. Not sure where you want to drive that needs more prevalent charging locations. As @bmah notes: charge to whatever level you need. I generally follow his rule of thumb to charge enough to the next charge stop plus reserve. I've had to charge to 100% about once 4 or 5 years ago; since then far more chargers available. And his advice to stop charging before you reach 80% is valid; I rarely go beyond 60% and drive down to 7-10%. In my mind my trips are quicker and more relaxing than any ICE trips I ever drove. YMMV.