Hyundai and KIA are on the NACS train now!

[smogne41]

Finally!

Hyundai is switching to Tesla-style NACS plugs for its EVs in late 2024

Hyundai EVs that still have the CCS1 plug will get access in 2025 with an adapter.

arstechnica.com

Kia to adopt North American charging standard in the fourth quarter of 2024

Kia EV owners will have access to 12,000 Tesla Superchargers across North America North American Charging Standard (NACS) planned to commence production within U.S.-assembled Kia EVs starting in...

www.kianewscenter.com

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[Big Earl]

And Genesis! Don't forget Genesis.

 

[pinolero]

I guess I chose right. If I win the PowerBall billions today, buying the most expensive Cybertruck, then possibly switching to my new "dream vehicle" R1S quad motor after it finally gets the NACS port.

 

[Elektrick]

Awesome. Been waiting for this. Sounds like all HMG EVs by Q4 in 2024 will come with NACS ports.

Had a chance to sit in a KIA EV9 and it's amazing. Now with this news, that seals the deal.

Exciting times.

 

[SalisburySam]

This news pleasantly surprises me. That Hyundai will begin NACS-compatible vehicles in a year is pretty astounding for turning around three brands of production. Perhaps they’ve been planning this for awhile, but still impressive to me. Sadly, this doesn’t help my 2023 Ioniq5 but I’ll manage somehow.

 

[beatle]

This is good to hear. I am tentatively planning to replace my 2019 in a few years with the Ioniq5N, and I'm expecting non-Tesla charging stations to still be a mess.

 

[sleepydoc]

So who does that leave off of NACS - VW (and Audi) is the biggest name I can think of. Not surprising as they back Electrify America. They also have a significant number of EVs on the road. Aside from them, Lucid and Toyota are the main names I can think of. (Does Chrysler even have an EV?)

 

[smogne41]

This news pleasantly surprises me. That Hyundai will begin NACS-compatible vehicles in a year is pretty astounding for turning around three brands of production. Perhaps they’ve been planning this for awhile, but still impressive to me. Sadly, this doesn’t help my 2023 Ioniq5 but I’ll manage somehow.

Sure it helps, you will just have to use the adapter. Not ideal perhaps, but pretty good!

 

[hatchna]

So who does that leave off of NACS - VW (and Audi) is the biggest name I can think of. Not surprising as they back Electrify America. They also have a significant number of EVs on the road. Aside from them, Lucid and Toyota are the main names I can think of. (Does Chrysler even have an EV?)

Chrysler/Jeep have a few plug-in hybrids right now, and apparently are readying the RAM EV truck, and possible a EV replacement for the Charger. I haven't heard anything about Stellantis adopting NACS though. They're usually the last to board the train though, so I expect they'll hold out longer than the others.

 

[zroger73]

...my new "dream vehicle" R1S quad motor after it finally gets the NACS port.

...and a heat pump - that would be one of the things keeping me from buying a Rivian.

 

[smogne41]

...and a heat pump - that would be one of the things keeping me from buying a Rivian.

A heat pump is not going to help you that much in Texas

 

[zroger73]

A heat pump is not going to help you that much in Texas

It absolutely does - it gets colder than 70°F several days during Winter here!

And, a heat pump is more efficient even in mild temperatures when only dehumidification is required. On mild, but humid days (of which there are plenty of those here) without a heat pump, the vehicle has to chill the air using a compressor then reheat it using less efficient electrical resistance heating. Tesla's heat pump, on the other hand, uses only the compressor to dehumidify the air by chilling it then reheating similar to how a portable dehumidifier works.

 

[wws]

So who does that leave off of NACS - VW (and Audi) is the biggest name I can think of. Not surprising as they back Electrify America. They also have a significant number of EVs on the road. Aside from them, Lucid and Toyota are the main names I can think of. (Does Chrysler even have an EV?)

The major remaining ones I can think of are:

• VW/Audi/Porsche
• BMW
• Toyota/Lexus and Subaru
• Stellantis
• Lucid
• Mazda

Jeep and Chrysler have plug in hybrids, but nothing with DC fast charging.

 

[smogne41]

Toyota/Lexus, Subaru, and Mazda barely make any EVs anyway. And don't make any yet that anybody in their right mind would actually buy

 

[sleepydoc]

The major remaining ones I can think of are:

• VW/Audi/Porsche
• BMW
• Toyota/Lexus and Subaru
• Stellantis
• Lucid
• Mazda

Jeep and Chrysler have plug in hybrids, but nothing with DC fast charging.

Toyota/Lexus, Subaru, and Mazda barely make any EVs anyway. And don't make any yet that anybody in their right mind would actually buy

That was my thought -Mazda only has a plug in hybrid that I know of. Toyota, Lexus and Subaru all share a platform and I think there's only one model for each - with pretty crappy range. Toyota and Lexus have several plug-in hybrids, though. BMW has several models, though.

VW probably makes more than all the others combined.

 

[zroger73]

That was my thought -Mazda only has a plug in hybrid that I know of.

Mazda had an EV - the MX-30. It was a compliance car with performance and range closer to an older Nissan Leaf. It is unlikely that Mazda ever expected it to actually sell more than the few hundred units that were purchased.

 

[Falcon73]

It absolutely does - it gets colder than 70°F several days during Winter here!

North Texas can get quite cool in the winter. Certainly colder than here in SoCal. My brother lived in Denton, TX for many years and it can snow there. But yeah, there's also the like 6 months of days with 100+ temps!

 

[blrt]

With all these manufacturers using the Super Chargers, would it not creates longer wait for Tesla owners?
Tesla has to ramp up in building more SC stations.

 

[sleepydoc]

With all these manufacturers using the Super Chargers, would it not creates longer wait for Tesla owners?
Tesla has to ramp up in building more SC stations.

Having the same connector doesn’t automatically mean they can use superchargers but your concern is shared by many. One of the big (huge) advantages of Tesla is their large, reliable charging network that is seamlessly integrated into the car. Suddenly clogging it up with a bunch of non-teslas would create headaches and actually decrease the value of the car.

There are some superchargers that have a couple bays available to non-Teslas. My understanding is that this was required for Tesla to receive federal EV charging infrastructure funds.

My guess is that the biggest advantage of the NACS standard for us (aside from it being a better, more elegant solution) is that it will be easier for Teslas to charge at other sites.

Of course if VW persists with CCS then the Electrify America network may well stay CCS and we’ll have another VHS/Beta situation. Hopefully VW will switch as well and we can have one standard. That would be better for everyone.

 

[smogne41]

Having the same connector doesn’t automatically mean they can use superchargers but your concern is shared by many. One of the big (huge) advantages of Tesla is their large, reliable charging network that is seamlessly integrated into the car. Suddenly clogging it up with a bunch of non-teslas would create headaches and actually decrease the value of the car.

There are some superchargers that have a couple bays available to non-Teslas. My understanding is that this was required for Tesla to receive federal EV charging infrastructure funds.

My guess is that the biggest advantage of the NACS standard for us (aside from it being a better, more elegant solution) is that it will be easier for Teslas to charge at other sites.

Of course if VW persists with CCS then the Electrify America network may well stay CCS and we’ll have another VHS/Beta situation. Hopefully VW will switch as well and we can have one standard. That would be better for everyone.

EA already announced they will be adding NACS (back in June). Not clear how many connectors per site though. I would guess most though, since electrically NACS=CCS and NACS cars are a far larger potential market.