sandpiper
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no fob-only Summon in Canada.... we need to use the phone App... very poor decision.
Apparently it has something to do with the Canadian regulations around vehicle immobilizers. It's not a Tesla decision.
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no fob-only Summon in Canada.... we need to use the phone App... very poor decision.
Australia is the same as Canada then. Nanny state. Our vehicle design rules are comprehensive and strict.
Right. I see no reason why Tesla would add complexity preventing a feature from operating if there were not a very good reason. I can understand staged availability of newer functions like we've seen Tesla do with some new capabilities, but as long as Summon has been generally available in many parts of the world, it seems there must be legal reasons it's not enabled or limited in some locations.Apparently it has something to do with the Canadian regulations around vehicle immobilizers. It's not a Tesla decision.
Yes - but I suspect this is a case of regulations created for ICE technology being mindlessly applied to EVs and not translating well. Immobilizers are intended to prevent somebody from stealing a car by "hot-wiring" the ignition key-switch. There are far better ways to steal a Tesla if you were so inclined.
This is not AP 2.0 HW related.
The various regions have features enabled/disabled either by the car's configuration or by requesting a feature authorization from the Mothership, depending on the feature in question. For instance, you can't use summon without an OK from the Mothership, and the car sends it's current GPS position when it requests this, so it can be done by location. For instance, if one state in the US were to outlaw it, Tesla could easily enforce that. Other features, such as browser access, are set in the car's config, just like things such as supercharging.
Actually 8.0 is very much about Autopilot 2.0 hardware because Tesla can't do what it wants with Autopilot 1.0 hardware. The advanced radar processing is not very helpful if you are only processing data from a single, forward-facing radar. AP 2.0 is supposed to have multiple radar units, so enhanced radar processing in 8.0 must be contemplating the additional radar units that are coming "soon".
You make good points, but Tesla and Elon are no different than any other car manufacturer; new features are about selling new cars. The only difference is that Tesla introduces new features rather spasmodically, and other manufacturers do it on a model year basis.How do you know that? The single unit has a field of view such that improving its temporal and spatial resolution through software and creating a point cloud, if possible, would be a big plus for collision avoidance, especially in the high profile cases we've already seen. More HW is always better certainly, but I expect big improvements to the 1.0 suite still. Sure 8.0 is obviously groundwork laying for AP 2.0, but my point was the upcoming, if ever, blog post is not going to be about 2.0 specifically. If they want to recapture the conversation about AP, talking about new hardware the existing fleet can't have won't do it.
Possibly, but they can always roll out new software when AP 2.0 is actually here. Right now, I suspect, it will be about the UI as you said and (thinking back to the flaws identified in the fatal crash) improving AP 1.0 to the point that regulators will be satisfied. Elon seemed confident he could squeeze more out of it. Just my 2 cents.You make good points, but Tesla and Elon are no different than any other car manufacturer; new features are about selling new cars. The only difference is that Tesla introduces new features rather spasmodically, and other manufacturers do it on a model year basis.
My guess, and we're all guessing, is that 8.0 will throw a bone to AP 1.0 owners with some improvement (e.g., new UI!), but the features/benefits of 8.0 will only be fully realized with AP 2.0 h/w.
Elon's not going to talk about it until he's flushed the AP 1.0 h/w out of the factory, which includes all those cars they built on speculation and are now flogging at discounts. He's already pulled an "Osborne" by hinting at 8.0 which makes any buyer who's studied the company, or read these forums, hold off on their purchase until the other shoe drops. Nobody wants to be the last buyer to take delivery of AP 1.0 h/w.
You make good points, but Tesla and Elon are no different than any other car manufacturer; new features are about selling new cars. The only difference is that Tesla introduces new features rather spasmodically, and other manufacturers do it on a model year basis.
My guess, and we're all guessing, is that 8.0 will throw a bone to AP 1.0 owners with some improvement (e.g., new UI!), but the features/benefits of 8.0 will only be fully realized with AP 2.0 h/w.
Elon's not going to talk about it until he's flushed the AP 1.0 h/w out of the factory, which includes all those cars they built on speculation and are now flogging at discounts. He's already pulled an "Osborne" by hinting at 8.0 which makes any buyer who's studied the company, or read these forums, hold off on their purchase until the other shoe drops. Nobody wants to be the last buyer to take delivery of AP 1.0 h/w.
Possibly, but they can always roll out new software when AP 2.0 is actually here. Right now, I suspect, it will be about the UI as you said and (thinking back to the flaws identified in the fatal crash) improving AP 1.0 to the point that regulators will be satisfied. Elon seemed confident he could squeeze more out of it. Just my 2 cents.
I think we're sort of in agreement. With 8.0 we'll get the "moderate" improvements to AP 1.0 as Elon tweeted and is quoted above, and lots of hype about how great 8.1 is going to be with AP 2.0 h/w.Possibly, but they can always roll out new software when AP 2.0 is actually here. Right now, I suspect, it will be about the UI as you said and (thinking back to the flaws identified in the fatal crash) improving AP 1.0 to the point that regulators will be satisfied. Elon seemed confident he could squeeze more out of it. Just my 2 cents.
It's possible to enable the features without Tesla's permission, but for ethical reasons I will not do that except for Supercharging on salvage cars where Tesla has disabled it. A lot of salvage cars have had Tesla reach in remotely and alter the cars configuration to block supercharging access. I think this is an ethical violation on Tesla's part, as they are removing a legitimately paid-for feature without asking the owner. I suspect Tesla does this amid safety concerns, so I verify that the car is safe for supercharging before re-enabling this for a salvage car owner.@Ingineer: Off-topic, but I was always wondering how Tesla enables e.g. Autopilot, the supercharging feature or unlock battery capacity after purchase. Is this something like the car getting a key ("serial number") from the mothership and then enables that feature (like one-time)? Or is the car constantly checking in order to avoid someone tinkering with enabling these features without paying?
It's possible to enable the features without Tesla's permission, but for ethical reasons I will not do that except for Supercharging on salvage cars where Tesla has disabled it. A lot of salvage cars have had Tesla reach in remotely and alter the cars configuration to block supercharging access. I think this is an ethical violation on Tesla's part, as they are removing a legitimately paid-for feature without asking the owner. I suspect Tesla does this amid safety concerns, so I verify that the car is safe for supercharging before re-enabling this for a salvage car owner.