Firmware 6.0

[mknox]

Presume you checked but just in case, the Range display setting didn't happen to change to "Ideal" did it?

Or that Range Mode is on (although that shouldn't give it that much of a bump).

 

[tomas]

Mine continues to charge to "391 km", after several charge cycles, fiddling with the charge level setting, and rebooting the touchscreen. It looks like my car really thinks the pack got 8% bigger.

I guess the next thing to try is charging to 100%.

Not sure you track the "decreasing rated range" thread... There's a pretty common occurrence that recent releases (versions of 6.0) have "reset" the algorithm, resulting in significant apparent rated range bumps. I went, for example, from 225 mi to 241 mi @ 90%. I'm not going to argue with the poster above who went back to normal after first charge... but, most people's experience has been that it goes back to (or near) prior rated range after a couple of weeks. So, hold tight and see what it is in a couple of weeks. I'm guessing maybe a hair above what you got before, but not much.

 

[mknox]

There's a pretty common occurrence that recent releases (versions of 6.0) have "reset" the algorithm, resulting in significant apparent rated range bumps.

I have never, ever seen this even though it's been widely discussed. If I have 221 miles before an update, I'll have 221 miles after. My numbers have slowly gone down over time (either due to degradation or the way the car does its math) but never in "bumps" at firmware revisions.

 

[tomas]

I have never, ever seen this even though it's been widely discussed. If I have 221 miles before an update, I'll have 221 miles after. My numbers have slowly gone down over time (either due to degradation or the way the car does its math) but never in "bumps" at firmware revisions.

It has not been "widely discussed". It has been widely reported. This response implies that the many who HAVE experienced this are wrong. I'm one of them, and I can assure you, it is a real thing.

You have almost 5,000 posts, and I'm sure you read a ton more than that. If there's one thing we all can learn from this forum: YMMV... we need to respect each others' differing experiences (including different car behavior).

 

[MichaelS]

Here is proof that it does happen. Two firmware upgrades bumped my range up.

Date Rated Estimated Ideal Charge % Firmware Mileage
03/25/14 172.2 210.3 199.2 90% 5.8 1.49.90
03/27/14 172.2 194.6 199.2 90% 5.8 1.49.90
03/28/14 172.2 205.1 198.8 90% 5.8 1.49.90
03/31/14 172.9 199.8 200.0 90% 5.8 1.49.90
04/01/14 172.2 193.2 199.2 90% 5.8 1.49.90
04/07/14 172.5 198.0 199.6 90% 5.8 1.49.90

04/09/14 179.2 209.7 204.1 90% 5.9 1.51.94
04/10/14 179.8 191.1 204.5 90% 5.9 1.51.94
04/18/14 179.5 205.9 204.1 90% 5.9 1.51.94
04/21/14 179.8 238.3 204.5 90% 5.9 1.51.94
04/29/14 179.8 215.5 204.5 90% 5.9 1.51.94
05/07/14 180.2 221.4 204.9 90% 5.9 1.51.94
05/22/14 179.1 211.6 203.7 90% 5.9 1.51.94
05/27/14 179.1 220.2 203.7 90% 5.9 1.51.94
05/27/14 179.8 230.7 204.5 90% 5.9 1.51.94

06/04/14 179.5 223.6 204.1 90% 5.9 1.51.109
06/06/14 179.4 214.5 204.1 90% 5.9 1.51.109
06/18/14 178.8 229.1 203.3 90% 5.9 1.51.109

07/08/14 178.8 216.7 203.3 90% 5.11 1.59.56
07/15/14 178.4 214.7 202.9 90% 5.11 1.59.56
07/18/14 178.8 208.0 203.3 90% 5.11 1.59.56

08/02/14 186.0 90% 5.12 1.64.36 Charged at Fremont supercharger
08/04/14 176.7 201.8 201.0 90% 5.12 1.64.36 22234.9
08/07/14 177.7 218.8 202.1 90% 5.12 1.64.36 22349.0
08/11/14 178.1 205.1 202.5 90% 5.12 1.64.36 22512.8
08/13/14 178.1 210.8 202.5 90% 5.12 1.64.36 22570.0
08/19/14 177.7 220.8 202.1 90% 5.12 1.64.36 22822.5
08/21/14 177.7 217.3 202.1 90% 5.12 1.64.36 22879.0
08/25/14 177.7 205.0 202.1 90% 5.12 1.64.36 22879.0
08/26/14 177.7 221.2 202.1 90% 5.12 1.64.36
09/05/14 177.4 216.8 201.7 90% 5.12 1.64.36 23589.4
09/05/14 177.7 209.1 202.1 90% 5.12 1.64.36 23603.6
09/08/14 177.4 210.6 201.7 90% 5.12 1.64.36 23669.7
09/11/14 177.7 203.8 202.1 90% 5.12 1.64.36 23757.3
09/12/14 177.7 210.7 202.1 90% 5.12 1.64.36 23786.3

09/17/14 177.7 212.4 202.1 90% 5.14 1.66.38 23867.4
09/19/14 177.7 219.8 202.1 90% 5.14 1.66.38 23956.5

10/04/14 50% 6.00 1.67.11 24101.7 Car was parked from 9/23/14 to 10/11/14

10/14/14 185.7 210.2 211.1 90% 6.00 1.67.27 24227.8

10/16/14 187.4 228.5 213.1 90% 6.00 1.67.43 24343.4
10/16/14 188.1 211.4 213.9 90% 6.00 1.67.43 24375.6
10/21/14 185.7 215.1 211.2 90% 6.00 1.67.43 24670.4
10/23/14 185.3 220.3 210.8 90% 6.00 1.67.43 24741.8
10/24/14 185.7 217.9 211.2 90% 6.00 1.67.43 24785.0
10/27/14 185.0 222.0 210.4 90% 6.00 1.67.43 24990.7
10/29/14 184.6 215.6 210.0 90% 6.00 1.67.43 25063.2
10/30/14 185.0 230.9 210.4 90% 6.00 1.67.43 25102.8

11/03/14 185.0 230.9 210.4 90% 6.00 1.67.80 25292.2
11/04/14 184.3 230.2 209.6 90% 6.00 1.67.80 25320.7
11/06/14 183.9 224.2 209.2 90% 6.00 1.67.80 25378.0
11/07/14 184.3 219.4 209.6 90% 6.00 1.67.80 25421.8
11/07/14 205.2 251.4 233.3 100% 6.00 1.67.80 25427.6 Full car terminated range charge
11/10/14 183.3 232.5 208.4 90% 6.00 1.67.80 25527.0
11/11/14 183.3 205.4 208.4 90% 6.00 1.67.80 25614.0
11/11/14 183.3 225.0 208.4 90% 6.00 1.67.80 25671.2
11/16/14 182.9 195.4 208.0 90% 6.00 1.67.80
11/17/14 181.9 215.2 206.8 90% 6.00 1.67.80 25836.9
11/18/14 182.9 216.1 208.8 90% 6.00 1.67.80 25887.0
11/20/14 182.2 221.8 207.2 90% 6.00 1.67.80
11/21/14 182.2 223.5 207.2 90% 6.00 1.67.80 26033.6
11/24/14 181.9 197.5 206.8 90% 6.00 1.67.80 26130.4
11/25/14 181.9 212.1 206.8 90% 6.00 1.67.80 26158.5
12/01/14 181.9 209.5 206.8 90% 6.00 1.67.80 26400.4 Heavy rain and heat used.
12/02/14 181.9 178.1 206.8 90% 6.00 1.67.80 26439.4 Heavy rain and heat used. Charged at service center.

12/03/14 187.1 142.7 212.8 90% 6.00 1.67.125 26460.0 Charged at service center super charger. Annual Service
12/07/14 205.2 251.4 233.3 100% 6.00 1.67.125 Charged at Atascadero super charger.
12/08/14 179.0 206.6 203.6 90% 6.00 1.67.125 27018.0
12/10/14 181.5 196.5 206.5 90% 6.00 1.67.125 27075.7
12/15/14 181.5 203.9 206.4 90% 6.00 1.67.125 27273.0

 

[Doug_G]

No, it's in Rated mode for sure. Visible Tesla shows both.

Also I can see from the Visible Tesla graph that the peak range each night is ever-so-slowly going down - by about 1 km each charge cycle.

Not sure you track the "decreasing rated range" thread... There's a pretty common occurrence that recent releases (versions of 6.0) have "reset" the algorithm, resulting in significant apparent rated range bumps. I went, for example, from 225 mi to 241 mi @ 90%. I'm not going to argue with the poster above who went back to normal after first charge... but, most people's experience has been that it goes back to (or near) prior rated range after a couple of weeks. So, hold tight and see what it is in a couple of weeks. I'm guessing maybe a hair above what you got before, but not much.

I haven't been reading that thread - the days when you could read everything are long gone!

Given the gradual decline I'll just keep watching and see where it goes. I am curious what would happen if I did a Range charge though.

 

[mknox]

It has not been "widely discussed". It has been widely reported. This response implies that the many who HAVE experienced this are wrong. I'm one of them, and I can assure you, it is a real thing.

I was not trying to suggest that others are not experiencing this, only that with 100% certainty, I have not.

- - - Updated - - -

Since getting 6.0 (2.0.76) and now 6.0 (2.0.77) my iPhone notifications have stopped working. Checked all my settings and they seem right. Anyone else?

 

[Doug_G]

My iPhone notifications are working, but ever since 6.0 my phone contacts have not worked. I have to reach into my pocket and press the Siri button in order to dial. Fortunately that actually works.

 

[scaesare]

I have never, ever seen this even though it's been widely discussed. If I have 221 miles before an update, I'll have 221 miles after. My numbers have slowly gone down over time (either due to degradation or the way the car does its math) but never in "bumps" at firmware revisions.

I've never seen a FW related increase either.

I have been getting a creeping increase in my rated range, but it's been gradual... ~5 miles of range over a few months...

 

[Doug_G]

Well, in the interest of SCIENCE! I just did a Range charge to see what I'd get. Got 432.2 km Rated / 489.3 km Ideal. I remember getting something like 484 km Ideal on my first ever Range charge.

I'm assuming the number will settle down again after a while, as suggested.

 

[mknox]

Well, in the interest of SCIENCE! I just did a Range charge to see what I'd get. Got 432.2 km Rated / 489.3 km Ideal. I remember getting something like 484 km Ideal on my first ever Range charge.

Wow. That's more than I have ever gotten. When my car was just a month or so old, I did a Range Charge and got 426 km. The other day, Tranmere Service Range Charged my car (I had asked about decreasing range) and got 396 km. (both Rated numbers).

- - - Updated - - -

My iPhone notifications are working, but ever since 6.0 my phone contacts have not worked. I have to reach into my pocket and press the Siri button in order to dial. Fortunately that actually works.

Just checked mine over lunch. Phone contacts all working fine, but still no Notifications. I've had 4 or 5 "flavors" of 6.0 on my car, and this started to happen after 2.0.76.

 

[Todd Burch]

Doug,

To try fixing your contacts: tell the car and the phone to forget each other, then try repairing.

Mknox, to fix the lack of notifications I assume you've terminated the app on your phone and restarted?

 

[Doug_G]

Wow. That's more than I have ever gotten. When my car was just a month or so old, I did a Range Charge and got 426 km. The other day, Tranmere Service Range Charged my car (I had asked about decreasing range) and got 396 km. (both Rated numbers).

Sounds like my initial number was just a little higher than yours. My current numbers are obviously inflated. Prior to the firmware update I was getting 408 km rated on a Range charge. Down about 4% after 37,000 km.

Interestingly, my Roadster is also down about 4% after 36,000 km. The Model S is actually doing better on a kWh basis due to the substantial extra power usage in winter for the Model S. Also these numbers are, of course, merely an estimate of capacity.

 

[mknox]

Mknox, to fix the lack of notifications I assume you've terminated the app on your phone and restarted?

Yep... tried all of that. But guess what? Notifications just started working all on their own again this morning (when my charge completed).

 

[Todd Burch]

Yep... tried all of that. But guess what? Notifications just started working all on their own again this morning (when my charge completed).

You're welcome :biggrin: hehe

 

[Akikiki]

Since getting 6.0 (2.0.76) and now 6.0 (2.0.77) my iPhone notifications have stopped working. Checked all my settings and they seem right. Anyone else?

mknox, I have been having the same notification problem. Firmware 1.47.42. My notifications worked on first on my iPhone 5, then after I moved to iPhone 6, but also my mini-iPad, since 6.0 until 1 Dec. On or about 30 Nov my area had a power outage before my car's scheduled charge start time. The car didn't start charging as scheduled, had to be manually started. No notifications occurred when it finished. No notifications for charging on 2 Dec. Rebooted main console and dash. Next night, received notifications - saw notifications 3 Dec.

The next night, 4 Dec began a period when I did not receive the start or finish notifications on either my iPhone 6 or mini-iPad. A week ago my Service Manager at our SC recommended I remove and reinstall the app. I did that a week ago on/about 12/16. Did not make a difference. I should have warned him the Mini-Ipad was not receiving notifications also, but forgot. I don't know about you, but when both the iPhone and mini-iPad stopped at the same time, that tells me its not the app.

Other than reinstalling the app on the one device on 12/16 nothing else has changed. Sunday, 12/21 dash showed 12v needs replacement. Called SC on Monday and scheduled for work today 12/23. Then, this morning, both the iPhone and mini-iPad showed notifications for starting and finishing last night's charge. Tech replaced 12v battery today and downloaded 2.0.77 for install tonight. Installed before scheduled time. I believe old firmware didn't start my notification problem, and firmware update, 2.0.77 did not fix it.

Here timeline is again. Car gets plugged in for charge at least every other day, sometimes daily for charge.
Sept 6.0.1.47.42 installed. Installed updated app. Left notifications on.
Sept - 30 Nov notifications worked without incident.
30 Nov night of 30 Nov power outages. Did not start charging. No notifications for finish morning of 1 Dec.
2 Dec no notifications. Rebooted main console and dash.
3 Dec notifications for charging start and finish. Saw them morning of 3 Dec
4 Dec no notifications and none until morning of 23 Dec.
16 Dec, Service Manager at SC recommended removing/installing app. Did it. Did not help.
21 Dec car reported it needs 12v battery replaced.
22 Dec first notifications for starting and finishing charge since 30 Nov.
23 Dec SC replaces 12v battery and downloads 2.0.77 for later install.
23 Dec 4:55 p.m. start install of download and completes about 5:15 p.m.

 

[redox]

New software update?

My Tesla app on iphone just pushed me a notification saying there's a new software update, but I don't see release notes in MyTesla.
Is there one available, and if so, what are the changes?

TIA

-- Greg

 

[jerry33]

You don't get the release notes until you do the actual upgrade. Lots of complaints about this, but that's how it works.

 

[redox]

You don't get the release notes until you do the actual upgrade. Lots of complaints about this, but that's how it works.

Good to know.
Maybe someone who already upgraded will be kind enough to post the Release Notes.

-- Greg

 

[jerry33]

The problem is we don't know what release it is you're upgrading to. There are many. But if you're already on 6.x, it's just minor bug fixes.