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#61
Larry Chanin said:
I'm afraid I don't follow your logic. Nissan is aggressively rolling out CHAdeMO fast chargers which faciliates travel and surely Leaf owners would like destination charging. Even hybrid plug-ins like to plug in at their destination particularly if the charging is for free.

With regard to the cost of the HPWC, in this situation the economics are even better than the already inexpensive HPWC since Tesla is giving them away for free or discounting the cost. Nevertheless as you point out for now HPCWs are limited just to Tesla owners and that is what the proprietors of the prospective destinations will be thinking when Tesla attempts to begin the roll-out of this proprietary network. Surely some hosts will go for it, but many will want additional non-proprietary options even if they accept the HPWC.

Don't get me wrong I am a big supporter of this Tesla initiative and I have sent out a mass mailing to close to 300 of our club membership informing them that this opportunity is available to certain business owners. I just think it would be more effective if an experienced local EVSE installer approached prospective host locations with the HPWC offer along with other generic options.

Larry
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My logic is people usually don't stay overnight in a hotel unless it's 150 miles or more away from home, usually a lot more. Even with a few Chademo chargers around most Leaf owners aren't going to be taking those long-distance trips, same with the i3 and CCS chargers. For the next few years at least the vast majority of long distance trips in EVs requiring hotel stays will still be in a Tesla. With regard to hybrids, the electric range isn't that great that I don't think those owners would make their hotel choice based primarily on where they can plug in. If hotels are doing this to attract guests, the Tesla destination charging program will have the greatest return on investment.
 
#62
TexasEV said:
My logic is people usually don't stay overnight in a hotel unless it's 150 miles or more away from home, usually a lot more.
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It depends on what they're going to do the next day (and when). We've stayed at a B&B in Fort Worth because we didn't want to get up early (about 50 miles away).
 
#63
jerry33 said:
It depends on what they're going to do the next day (and when). We've stayed at a B&B in Fort Worth because we didn't want to get up early (about 50 miles away).
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I said "usually". Of course there are exceptions, but wouldn't you agree the vast majority of hotel stays are from guests who live much more than 50 miles away, and usually 150 miles or more away?
 
#64
TexasEV said:
My logic is people usually don't stay overnight in a hotel unless it's 150 miles or more away from home, usually a lot more. Even with a few Chademo chargers around most Leaf owners aren't going to be taking those long-distance trips, same with the i3 and CCS chargers. For the next few years at least the vast majority of long distance trips in EVs requiring hotel stays will still be in a Tesla. With regard to hybrids, the electric range isn't that great that I don't think those owners would make their hotel choice based primarily on where they can plug in. If hotels are doing this to attract guests, the Tesla destination charging program will have the greatest return on investment.
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I agree with everything you've said, and I particularly agree with the statement the Tesla Destination Charging Program will have the greatest return on investment. However, you do know that the Tesla Destination Charging Program also donates Clipper Creek J1772 chargers provided the host location agrees to install HPWCs, right? Tesla knows that, even in the absence of other competing long-distance EVs, it is not always feasible to offer a strictly proprietary approach to host locations. They know that they have to be prepared to supplement their proprietary approach with a generic approach in order to be effective in signing up "Charging Partners". In other words, many host locations don't want to have all their charging eggs in one proprietary basket because they can't know the future.

Larry
 
#65
Tela Chinas destination charging program continues to expand at a rapid pace (over 1000 chargers, mostly in and around big cities)
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#68
Larry Chanin said:
... They know that they have to be prepared to supplement their proprietary approach with a generic approach in order to be effective in signing up "Charging Partners". In other words, many host locations don't want to have all their charging eggs in one proprietary basket because they can't know the future.

Larry
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That is clearly true and also reflects the official Tesla position that more EV's from other manufacturers will benefit Tesla too. When destination charging comes into play, so too does a longer planning horizon, so the emerging (Audi SUV, Porsche, Mitsubishi Outlander, numerous Mercedes, the BMW i8 and new ones coming), all will expand the EV and PHEV markets among affluent people who are valuable halo customers for the hospitality industry. Tesla cannot help but benefit by all the infrastructure development to support those vehicles.
 
#69
This announcement is from last month, but I haven't seen it mentioned here-- the Select Registry group of high-end B&Bs and Inns will be participating with the Tesla destination charging program at 170 locations:
Select Registry Teams with Tesla Motors 050715 - Google Docs

On the Select Registry home page where you search for a property, one of the amenities that can be filtered in the search is Tesla EV charging station:
Bed and Breakfasts, Inns & Hotels | Select Registry

This could be useful to show when you are encouraging a location to apply for destination charging, in addition to Tesla's new web page Destination Charging | Tesla Motors.
 
#70
Not sure where to post this, but I just emailed the Oregon Garden Resort in Silverton Oregon to see whether they had a place to plug in (I'm going there for a wedding in September). They told me that they just installed a Tesla HPWC. It's not yet listed on Tesla's Destination Charging map.
 
#72
Lloyd said:
Select Registry, an online site for premium bed and breakfast Inns, is posting that they are installing Tesla Charging stations at over 170+ of their bed and breakfast locations. They have an app for your phone, and a website. Lets make sure that they get rewarded for doing this by staying at those locations.


http://www.selectregistry.com/Inns.asp
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This sounds familiar. I think it's because I posted it last week, two posts up in this thread
 
#73
At some destination charging locations I'm finding configjrations like this :

2 × HPWC @ 40A (though the car's NAV says 16 kW)
1 x J1772 @ 30A

I appreciate the money Tesla Motors and the host have invested and realize they don't always have the budget to set the HPWCs to 80A.

Will it ever be feasible in such instances to have an intelligent HPWC that can draw more than 40A when one of the other stations is unused?
 
#74
RiverBrick said:
Will it ever be feasible in such instances to have an intelligent HPWC that can draw more than 40A when one of the other stations is unused?
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Each one is on it's own 50 amp circuit. The only way that would be feasible is if the chargers were dual headed--but then the cost for installation wouldn't be much different than two 100 amp circuits.
 
#75
EVger said:
FREE – Donation of electric vehicle chargers (EVSEs)

I am volunteering with Black Bear Solar Institute (BBSI), a not-for-profit organization. In conjunction with the Tesla destination charging program, BBSI donates electric vehicle (EV) chargers to businesses at appropriate locations. BBSI provides Tesla destination chargers free of charge. For every Tesla charger, BBSI would also donate a Level 2, J1772 charger (usable by a wide variety of EV brands).

The Tesla destination charging program focuses on places at which a Tesla driver would enjoy spending an hour or more while getting a partial charge (or a full charge in the case of overnight lodging). Typical destinations are hotels, restaurants, shopping areas, movie theaters, auditoriums, parks, resorts, casinos, and other attractions. Free parking and proximity to a major highway are pluses. For more about destination charging, please see Destination Charging | Tesla Motors.

The cash value of an installed charging station is approximately $6,000, including up to $1500 per unit towards installation costs. This is generally sufficient to cover the entire installation cost. Having these units available will attract an excellent class of customer to any business. Tesla destination charging locations are advertised on a number of sites, apps, and maps used by drivers of Teslas and other EVs. The cost to the host site is usually less than two cents per minute during actual charging.

This is a win-win-win situation. It will be a substantial extension of and support for the supercharger system.

I would appreciate receiving recommendations of interested locations for BBSI’s consideration. (Are there any appropriate locations that you or your friends frequent where you could make an inquiry as to their interest?) Additional information can be obtained from me (by PM) or from Bob Harris, at 865-919-2274, and [email protected].
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You don't say whether this is meant for Florida, the US, or the world?
 
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