Coronavirus

[cwerdna]

If we do universal masking they think we could save 55k deaths by April. I say we try it, even if some people don't think masks help.

Even if there were a Federal mandate (not sure if it can be legally done) and people from the top implored ALL Americans to wear a mask properly when outside the house, you're still going to have a percentage in the US (probably above 10%) of people who will refuse to because of free-dumb, "masks don't work", etc.

Hope you saw the video at Coronavirus (post 21742). This is besides the countless anti-masker incidents involving Karens and sometimes even violence, including death.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

Even if there were a Federal mandate (not sure if it can be legally done) and people from the top implored ALL Americans to wear a mask properly when outside the house, you're still going to have a percentage in the US (probably above 10%) of people who will refuse to because of free-dumb, "masks don't work", etc.

It doesn't require 100% compliance for it to work well. But for sure, no one (even the mask wearers) can be inside without a mask on. That seems like the main problem with masks right now. People who wear them don't wear them when they need them most. For example, they take the mask off when eating (which is crazy). The CDC says this is often the reason people get infected - they take off their mask (which they normally wear). You can't take off the mask unless the risk (both to you, and from yourself to others) is zero.

People also take off their masks at home when they are living in a home with someone who is COVID positive! It's crazy. Those people (everyone, infected or not) should be wearing masks all the time, probably even when they sleep (or take precautions to clear the sleeping area of virus). The mask obviously isn't going to stop all transmission in these cases. But it will stop some of it!

But agreed, a decent segment of the population will be recalcitrant. We just need better compliance in the people who wear masks, and a few more people wearing them (who can probably be convinced). It's getting more and more normal to do so.

 

[renim]

It doesn't require 100% compliance for it to work well. But for sure, no one (even the mask wearers) can be inside without a mask on. That seems like the main problem with masks right now. People who wear them don't wear them when they need them most. For example, they take the mask off when eating (which is crazy).....

hmmm, how do you eat with a mask on?

anyway, just pointing out from earlier study, proximity to covid infectious person was not particulary relevant in this plane case study, rear half has zero new cases despite having plenty of infectious people. So the question is why? the anser is ventilation
forward half of economy relies on multiple giant HEPA filters to purifiy the air, rear half of economy relies of air replacement, (all air exits through rear of plane, in theory all virus flies past the rear passenger also). At the fairing/wing interface are openable air ram intakes, so there is far more dilution for the rear half of the plane.

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Risk for Infection by Cabin and Seat Position
The risk for SARS-CoV-2 secondary infections among passengers seated in the mid cabin (11 cases/112 passengers) was significantly greater than for those seated in the aft cabin (0 cases/101 passengers; risk ratio undefined; corrected Mantel–Haenszel χ2 = 8.6; p<0.005). The secondary attack rate among mid-cabin passengers in window seats (7 cases/28 passengers) was significantly greater than among those not in window seats (4/83; risk ratio 5.2; 95% CI 1.6–16.4; corrected Mantel–Haenszel χ2 = 7.0; p<0.007)'

pre covid - official blurb
cabin-air-quality.pdf (iata.org)

 

[JRP3]

Masks work.

What is added by this report?

The governor of Kansas issued an executive order requiring wearing masks in public spaces, effective July 3, 2020, which was subject to county authority to opt out. After July 3, COVID-19 incidence decreased in 24 counties with mask mandates but continued to increase in 81 counties without mask mandates.

Trends in County-Level COVID-19 Incidence in Counties With ...

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

hmmm, how do you eat with a mask on?

You don’t. My point is you only take it off when safe. Which is not in a restaurant or a plane. Planes probably safer than restaurants though.

Summary: take mask off when zero risk to self, and zero risk to others. Otherwise it remains on.

 

[uujjj2]

Hospitals in Northern California are filling up rapidly. At one of the hospitals Mrs. Uujjj works, 8 out of 10 emergency room beds are filled with boarders, patients who have been admitted but for whom the hospital has no available beds in the admitting department.

 

[PACEMD]

Hospitals in Northern California are filling up rapidly. At one of the hospitals Mrs. Uujjj works, 8 out of 10 emergency room beds are filled with boarders, patients who have been admitted but for whom the hospital has no available beds in the admitting department.

That's been our problem in emergency for 20+ years, COVID just amplifies this. Modern corporate medicine has little interest in solving this problem. We in emergency medicine have long stressed that hospitals should not be more than 80% full on average, have to have flexibility to deal with reality. Modern corporate medicine wants to cut staff and resources, maximize profits with close to 100% occupancy. Doesn't work and we in emergency always pay the price. Meaning we have for a long time been boarding admitted patients in emergency. Our nurses taking care of admitted patients rather than new emergency patients. That's been the big reason emergency departments are overcrowded. But of course, no one gives a sh*t what we think.........or cares about reality.........

 

[NikolaACDC]

Today on
Tracking Our COVID-19 Response - covidexitstrategy.org

They need to add colors and categories.
Really uncontrolled spread.
Totally uncontrolled spread.
FUBAR.

And the (at least expected) Thanksgiving-boost hasn't even quite hit yet.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

They need to add colors and categories.
Really uncontrolled spread.
Totally uncontrolled spread.
FUBAR.

And the (at least expected) Thanksgiving-boost hasn't even quite hit yet.

You can't score without goals. We had no goal to suppress the virus to zero cases (the only stable solution other than herd immunity). So, we got what we wanted. We could have chosen the path where we had approximately zero cases now. But we didn't. And it has & will cost us trillions of dollars. Fortunately, money printer goes brrr...so no big deal...I guess? Not so good for the people who died and are permanently injured, though. And their families.

 

[rxlawdude]

hmmm, how do you eat with a mask on?
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Risk for Infection by Cabin and Seat Position
The risk for SARS-CoV-2 secondary infections among passengers seated in the mid cabin (11 cases/112 passengers) was significantly greater than for those seated in the aft cabin (0 cases/101 passengers; risk ratio undefined; corrected Mantel–Haenszel χ2 = 8.6; p<0.005). The secondary attack rate among mid-cabin passengers in window seats (7 cases/28 passengers) was significantly greater than among those not in window seats (4/83; risk ratio 5.2; 95% CI 1.6–16.4; corrected Mantel–Haenszel χ2 = 7.0; p<0.007)'

pre covid - official blurb
cabin-air-quality.pdf (iata.org)

The moral of the story from that study: Book in First or Business Class.

 

[Daniel in SD]

The moral of the story from that study: Book in First or Business Class.

Or fly private, then you don't even need to go through the terminal.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

Australia is enjoying themselves. They must have contained and suppressed the virus because of their well-known culture of sticking to the rules and conservative, obedient, mask-wearing behavior, with a focus on the good of the collective. 47 active cases nationwide last I heard (not sure the source of this number, to be clear...I can't align it with their public data), full test and trace and suppression measures in effect.

https://twitter.com/ChampChong/status/1335218340919328769?s=20

(This is Perth, which never had it that bad from what I understand. But all of Australia is getting close to success.)
I doubt they've seen the end of it - it will be back most likely. But it will take time, and the vaccine will finish the job they started.

They are doing a great deal of sewage monitoring, and clearly notifying people of possible locations of high risk of exposure, etc. And of course testing and tracing. It all makes a lot of sense. It's kind of odd.

 

[madodel]

In Pa., 66 of 67 counties now seeing substantial spread of coronavirus

In Pennsylvania 66 of 67 counties are out of control spread of COVID. My wife says that her hospital can't keep up with testing inpatients and it is taking more than 2 days to get a COVID result back now. And they aren't testing everyone, just those with symptoms and apparently the ED is missing some. On her service they keep finding out patients test positive after they have been in the hospital for a couple days and she or her partners have already seen them. Yes they wear a mask with every patient, but not an N95, not a shield and not a gown because they don't put everyone on COVID isolation precautions. They are going to end up killing off a lot of medical personnel if this keeps up.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

They are going to end up killing off a lot of medical personnel if this keeps up.

I'm sorry. I hope that you and your wife are able to stay safe. What a preventable disaster.

just those with symptoms and apparently the ED is missing some.

Half the people with the virus don't have symptoms, or probably present at the ER with something that looks nothing like a typical presentation of COVID.

It's amazing that in this day and age they are still limiting testing only to patients with symptoms, and are primarily using PCR as the front line test. This is a complete failure of the federal government & all leadership. There is no excuse for not having hundreds of millions of lateral flow diagnostic tests available at this point. Even if they turned out to be mostly useless (which I doubt), it still would have probably been worth having them around. And they could have generated one set of LFDs, with another orthogonal type of LFD. (

)

There is a way to manage the lack of sensitivity and reduced specificity of LFDs. We just needed to try. What an absolute nightmare.

 

[renim]

FWIW
Western Australia has had a total of 9 coronavirus fatalities, the first 8 of which where not caught on WA soil (ie they were cruise ships, airplane etc) .

It been near impossible to catch AND die from Coronavirus19 while in Western Australia.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

FWIW
Western Australia has had a total of 9 coronavirus fatalities, the first 8 of which where not caught on WA soil (ie they were cruise ships, airplane etc) .

It been near impossible to catch AND die from Coronavirus19 while in Western Australia.

Not looking too bad in the rest of the country either, tbh. I hope they don't let up, and crush the virus while they can. Winter is coming. Hopefully after the vaccine. No nonsense. Crush it. Force quarantines. Etc.

 

[JRP3]

A Florida data scientist who built the state’s COVID-19 dashboard, but was then fired after she said she refused to manipulate data said her home was raided by Florida Department of Law Enforcement agents Monday.

The FDLE confirmed to WESH 2 News that agents had executed a search Monday at the home of Rebekah Jones.


Jones said in a series of tweets Monday afternoon that agents knocked on her door around 8 a.m. Monday and took “all her tech.”

"They pointed a gun in my face. They pointed guns at my kids," Jones' tweet said.

Rebekah Jones says Florida agents raided home, took computer

 

[nwdiver]

Rebekah Jones says Florida agents raided home, took computer

Who would have thought that increasingly undermining science and facts, telling people that there is no 'truth' and somehow opinion = knowledge would have lead to a world where so many people are unable to distinguish between how they want the world to be and how the world is...........

 

[JRP3]

Winter is coming.

 

[PACEMD]

Who would have thought that increasingly undermining science and facts, telling people that there is no 'truth' and somehow opinion = knowledge would have lead to a world where so many people are unable to distinguish between how they want the world to be and how the world is...........

I know, weird, right?