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2023 Model Y 25,000 (24,524) Mile Update - Cold Weather Impact

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I’m thrilled with my Tesla after 6 months of ownership. I was an optimistic purchaser and it has largely delivered. I’ve learned a lot and liked a lot. Here are a few areas that have been meaningful to me.

For those of you that have read my previous posts you know that I was determined to purchase a Hybrid Camry XSE. I discovered that I could purchase a Tesla Model Y (during one of Elon’s “sales”) for less money than a Camry XSE. So I made a spontaneous jump and went with the Model Y. I am not convinced, in the end, that it will have saved me any money, but it will be close.

It’s not a completely fair comparison, but it is the two cars I was choosing between. So far the Tesla is $181 a month more expensive than the Camry would have been. Payment, “fuel”, maintenance, insurance, etc. But I plan to drive this car for 10 years and/or 300,000 miles. I still think that over the lifetime of the Tesla I’m going to come out a little ahead… and the Tesla is significantly more fun.

Anyway, onto the items I want to address this time:
  • Tires
  • Superchargers
  • Battery Strategy
  • Cold Weather
  • Enhanced Auto Pilot
  • Wipers
  • Headlights
  • Scroll Wheel customization
  • One Pedal Driving & Brake Regeneration
  • Trip Computer
  • Cold Feet
Tires:

After almost 25,000 miles I still have 7mm left on my tires. I feel they have worn evenly. I wish I knew how many mm they had to begin with. I’d be thrilled to get over 40k on these tires. Others have had experiences that suggest I won’t, but I’m hopeful. I don’t excellerate hard, unless I’m showing off, and I am doing mostly freeway driving.

I had a nail puncture while on a 2k mile trip. I had a tire puncture kit and air pump with me, but should have finished by including a travel jack that fits under the car. You need one for a low profile car. I also recommend a 3 ton jack. I started with a 2 ton jack and watched the car crush it. You’ll be happier if you are prepared for a flat.

Superchargers:

I must say that I have been very happy with the supercharger network. I live in the midwest and in a non-friendly EV state. What this means practically is that my superchargers are usually 75% available. So I never have any issue when needing a supercharger.

I also have come to realize (this is a no brainer to those veterans of EV’s) there is a HUGE difference between the 150 vs 250 chargers. I pretty much always skip the 150’s in favor of the much faster 250’s.

Lastly, when it comes to saving. If I’m on a 300+ mile trip and charge and home and then supplement with a supercharger it costs about the same as it would have if I was in the Camry Hybrid.

Battery Strategy:

I always charge my battery to 50% as soon as I pull in the garage. Then I set it to be ready to go the next morning at whatever percentage I need. This strategy seems to have worked well. After 25k miles I still have a rated range around 320 miles. It takes about 2 minutes every evening to figure out where I am going the next day and how much battery I will need.

I have charged to 100% about 5-7 times per month, but it reaches 100% minutes before I leaven and I drive it down to between 10-50% immediately. So my car spends the overwhelming majority of its life at 50% battery.

I learned this strategy from someone on this forum. I would give credit if I could remember who it was from. But for me, it seems to work well.

My father in law also has a model y, 1 year older than mine. Also 25k miles. He keeps it charged at 80% all of the time. His rated range is down to 301. I don’t know much about batteries, but anecdotally the strategy I’m using seems to be significantly better than his strategy. But there may be other factors I am uninformed about.

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Cold Weather:

This is a big one for me, but bottom line, I’m ok with the hit that I am taking in cold weather. And it is a big one. I haven’t even really hit winter in Wisconsin yet, but the effects I am seeing in the last few weeks are significant.

My takeaway is that if you are someone that travels less than 180 miles round trip in a day you can do anything you want year around and even though weather will use more energy you’ll be fine.

However, if you drive long distances like me, winter weather will require a few more charges each month to 100% and a few more supercharger stops. But I’m ok with the trade off. The car is that impressive to me.

Even though as the temperatures drop the battery life is more impacted, I would say it is minimal above 32 degrees. This is my opinion from experience over the last few weeks.

Now, when the temperature goes below 32 degrees, that’s when the fun begins. Here is the math on my range. Others may be able to double check if my concepts are correct.

Scenario 1: Between June and October 31 my car showed lifetime of 262 kWh.

My driving habits didn’t change, but the weather did. In November and December here are a few examples of cold weather trips.

Scenario 2: 337 Miles in 28 degrees. I used 120 kWh (about 1.5 battery) and averaged 355 kWh.

Scenario 3: 150+ miles in 30 degrees. I was getting 309 kWh.

Scenario 4: 250+ miles in 25 degrees with a 16 mph headwind. I was getting 415 kWh. (But my car sat outside for 2 hours and the batter never warmed up to the same operating condition as if it had been in my garage.

Scenario 5: 200+ miles at 15 degrees, but with a warm battery from pre heating and sitting in my garage. I was getting 330 kWh.

Here are some examples of range based on weather.

1 - at 262 kWh I could go 309 miles on a 100% charge

2 - at 355 kWh I could go 228 miles on a 100% charge

3 - at 309 kWh I could go 262 miles on a 100% charge

4 - at 415 kWh I could go 195 miles on a 100% charge

5 - at 330 kWh I could go 245 miles on a 100% charge

So, during summer and early fall my car that is rated for 330 miles at purchase I was getting around 309 miles of actual range.

But once the temperature dropped below 32 degrees my range dropped to between 195 and 262 miles on a full charge.

If I am able to preheat in the garage (which I am most of the time) the car does significantly better. But even if I have to sit in a cold parking lot for a few hours it’s still tolerable.

All of this said I have six weeks of -15 to 30 degree days ahead of me. After that, things begin to warm up again and my range should start increasing.

Another note, in the summer time I run the A/C always with is set between 66 and 70. In the cold weather I’ve run the heater usually at 70 but sometimes up to 74 degrees. I use the seat heater a lot. I have noticed very little batter usage difference between 70 degrees and 74 while using the heater.

It seems by far the two biggest battery drains are speed and cold. I used to do all kinds of things to eek out a little more range, but I have found that the things I could do did very little to make a difference. Slowing down, and preheating the car seem like the most important things and I do them consistently, when possible.

It just seems the biggest drain is winter. Without a pre heated battery I saw close to a 30% decrease in capacity. Otherwise it’s been closer to 15%.

Enhanced Auto Pilot

I’m a nerd and would love full auto pilot if I could afford it. That said, I’m in the camp of enjoying Enhanced Auto Pilot. I REALLY like it. I’ve driven a Tesla without it and mine with it. I would pay for it again.

I like the auto lane change feature. With a recent update it became much smoother. It’s far from perfect, but I like it and use it all the time.

Wipers

The wiper software is a joke. I have fun with it. But it’s terrible. I am looking forward to a better algorithm. Actually I’ve gone to using rain x and seldom use the wipers. And they seldom turn on by themselves.

Headlights

The headlights are the brightest I’ve ever had on a car and I really like them. I do a fair amount of night driving.

I used to blind other drivers a lot and they would flash their lights at me. I went into settings in the car and adjusted the headlights down one “notch” and people don’t flash their lights at me anymore.

Scroll Wheel Customization

I am in the camp of people that really like the customization of the left scroll wheel. That said, practically, I find that I never use it. That’s just me. I haven’t found something that I do a lot that is easier to use the scroll wheel for.

One Pedal Driving

I instantly took to one pedal driving. I REALLY like it. I almost never touch my brake pedal. One of the other benefits of an electric car is the brake regen, however with the way I drive I receive almost zero benefit from it. I live in flat country and I do highway driving. I get a little region from going down an occasional hill, and then again on the off ramp at the end of my trip. It’s still cool tech, but with freeway/highway driving in flat country I don’t get as much benefit from it.

Trip Computer

I didn’t trust the trip computer battery/mileage estimates for the first 4 months. I was usually significantly off. It would tell me I would arrive home with 20% battery but the reality was I’ would have 7% battery as an example. But after about 4 months of driving it seems to be pretty much spot on. I was afraid of what cold weather would do to the calculations but it actually seems to have gotten better. I don’t know if it took a while to learn how I drive or if a software update improved things. Regardless of how, I am very happy with the prediction now.

Cold Feet

Shortly before I picked up the car I was getting cold feet. I was afraid. No longer. Now I literally have cold feet. The vent near the footwell seems to do a terrible job of getting warm air to my feet. This is probably my biggest complaint. Do I need a blanket? A pair of battery operated socks? Seems silly. There should be a way to get more heat down there.

Bottom Line

I love this car. It is working out to be comparable to the Camry Hybrid XSE I was going to buy. It does pretty good in winter driving… so far. I love the tech. If you are looking to buy and are afraid of winter, I would say, don’t worry about it.



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What do you guys recommend to preheat the battery when it’s in the garage? Just go to climate and defrost the car?
Hate how steamy the car is when I jump in.. didn’t know if anything else helped heat the battery.

I just turn on the climate to pre-condition the cabin (at my desired temp) and the battery will also preheat if needed. Is there a reason you use the defrost the car feature when in the garage? I rarely use that feature and only ever do if parked outside in the cold/snow. Gets the cabin way too warm and probably uses a good amount of energy to do it.
 
yes. I agree on the location comment. It makes a big difference. And I hope you’re wrong about the wipers but fear you probably aren’t.
Interestingly I had never had an issue with my wipers until after the latest software update or 2. Now I noticed that the wipers don't always go on if my windshield gets covered when there is a light rain or misty day. I have had my car for 1.5 years. For now I just push the end as needed to swipe the windshield. If necessary I adjust to a different setting. Hopefully it goes back to how they worked before with a future OTA update.
 
My car, in Wisconsin, works this way. When using auto pilot I can turn the wipers off, but they still work automatically. I think it's a built in algorithm to keep the windshield camera view clear. Anyway, in autopilot, if the wipers want to go, I can't do anything about it.
I thought the latest OTA update made it so you can turn off wipers on autopilot. Admittedly this hasn't happened to me yet to actually prove it or not.
 
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Great review. I've had my Model Y six months as well. It's an amazing car. So much better than I thought it would be. What I like best is the climate control system. It is beyond perfect. Always the ideal conditions at all times. I agree that the auto wipers are awful. It's the only complaint I have. I'd like to thank everyone at Tesla for designing and engineering such a great car and everyone at Tesla Shanghai for the flawless build quality.
Five months with my 2023LRY and, while the wipers are whimsical, it is qualitatively better than any car I have ever owned. In a long life, I have owned some nice ones.
 
I’m thrilled with my Tesla after 6 months of ownership. I was an optimistic purchaser and it has largely delivered. I’ve learned a lot and liked a lot. Here are a few areas that have been meaningful to me.

For those of you that have read my previous posts you know that I was determined to purchase a Hybrid Camry XSE. I discovered that I could purchase a Tesla Model Y (during one of Elon’s “sales”) for less money than a Camry XSE. So I made a spontaneous jump and went with the Model Y. I am not convinced, in the end, that it will have saved me any money, but it will be close.

It’s not a completely fair comparison, but it is the two cars I was choosing between. So far the Tesla is $181 a month more expensive than the Camry would have been. Payment, “fuel”, maintenance, insurance, etc. But I plan to drive this car for 10 years and/or 300,000 miles. I still think that over the lifetime of the Tesla I’m going to come out a little ahead… and the Tesla is significantly more fun.

Anyway, onto the items I want to address this time:
  • Tires
  • Superchargers
  • Battery Strategy
  • Cold Weather
  • Enhanced Auto Pilot
  • Wipers
  • Headlights
  • Scroll Wheel customization
  • One Pedal Driving & Brake Regeneration
  • Trip Computer
  • Cold Feet
Tires:

After almost 25,000 miles I still have 7mm left on my tires. I feel they have worn evenly. I wish I knew how many mm they had to begin with. I’d be thrilled to get over 40k on these tires. Others have had experiences that suggest I won’t, but I’m hopeful. I don’t excellerate hard, unless I’m showing off, and I am doing mostly freeway driving.

I had a nail puncture while on a 2k mile trip. I had a tire puncture kit and air pump with me, but should have finished by including a travel jack that fits under the car. You need one for a low profile car. I also recommend a 3 ton jack. I started with a 2 ton jack and watched the car crush it. You’ll be happier if you are prepared for a flat.

Superchargers:

I must say that I have been very happy with the supercharger network. I live in the midwest and in a non-friendly EV state. What this means practically is that my superchargers are usually 75% available. So I never have any issue when needing a supercharger.

I also have come to realize (this is a no brainer to those veterans of EV’s) there is a HUGE difference between the 150 vs 250 chargers. I pretty much always skip the 150’s in favor of the much faster 250’s.

Lastly, when it comes to saving. If I’m on a 300+ mile trip and charge and home and then supplement with a supercharger it costs about the same as it would have if I was in the Camry Hybrid.

Battery Strategy:

I always charge my battery to 50% as soon as I pull in the garage. Then I set it to be ready to go the next morning at whatever percentage I need. This strategy seems to have worked well. After 25k miles I still have a rated range around 320 miles. It takes about 2 minutes every evening to figure out where I am going the next day and how much battery I will need.

I have charged to 100% about 5-7 times per month, but it reaches 100% minutes before I leaven and I drive it down to between 10-50% immediately. So my car spends the overwhelming majority of its life at 50% battery.

I learned this strategy from someone on this forum. I would give credit if I could remember who it was from. But for me, it seems to work well.

My father in law also has a model y, 1 year older than mine. Also 25k miles. He keeps it charged at 80% all of the time. His rated range is down to 301. I don’t know much about batteries, but anecdotally the strategy I’m using seems to be significantly better than his strategy. But there may be other factors I am uninformed about.

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Cold Weather:

This is a big one for me, but bottom line, I’m ok with the hit that I am taking in cold weather. And it is a big one. I haven’t even really hit winter in Wisconsin yet, but the effects I am seeing in the last few weeks are significant.

My takeaway is that if you are someone that travels less than 180 miles round trip in a day you can do anything you want year around and even though weather will use more energy you’ll be fine.

However, if you drive long distances like me, winter weather will require a few more charges each month to 100% and a few more supercharger stops. But I’m ok with the trade off. The car is that impressive to me.

Even though as the temperatures drop the battery life is more impacted, I would say it is minimal above 32 degrees. This is my opinion from experience over the last few weeks.

Now, when the temperature goes below 32 degrees, that’s when the fun begins. Here is the math on my range. Others may be able to double check if my concepts are correct.

Scenario 1: Between June and October 31 my car showed lifetime of 262 kWh.

My driving habits didn’t change, but the weather did. In November and December here are a few examples of cold weather trips.

Scenario 2: 337 Miles in 28 degrees. I used 120 kWh (about 1.5 battery) and averaged 355 kWh.

Scenario 3: 150+ miles in 30 degrees. I was getting 309 kWh.

Scenario 4: 250+ miles in 25 degrees with a 16 mph headwind. I was getting 415 kWh. (But my car sat outside for 2 hours and the batter never warmed up to the same operating condition as if it had been in my garage.

Scenario 5: 200+ miles at 15 degrees, but with a warm battery from pre heating and sitting in my garage. I was getting 330 kWh.

Here are some examples of range based on weather.

1 - at 262 kWh I could go 309 miles on a 100% charge

2 - at 355 kWh I could go 228 miles on a 100% charge

3 - at 309 kWh I could go 262 miles on a 100% charge

4 - at 415 kWh I could go 195 miles on a 100% charge

5 - at 330 kWh I could go 245 miles on a 100% charge

So, during summer and early fall my car that is rated for 330 miles at purchase I was getting around 309 miles of actual range.

But once the temperature dropped below 32 degrees my range dropped to between 195 and 262 miles on a full charge.

If I am able to preheat in the garage (which I am most of the time) the car does significantly better. But even if I have to sit in a cold parking lot for a few hours it’s still tolerable.

All of this said I have six weeks of -15 to 30 degree days ahead of me. After that, things begin to warm up again and my range should start increasing.

Another note, in the summer time I run the A/C always with is set between 66 and 70. In the cold weather I’ve run the heater usually at 70 but sometimes up to 74 degrees. I use the seat heater a lot. I have noticed very little batter usage difference between 70 degrees and 74 while using the heater.

It seems by far the two biggest battery drains are speed and cold. I used to do all kinds of things to eek out a little more range, but I have found that the things I could do did very little to make a difference. Slowing down, and preheating the car seem like the most important things and I do them consistently, when possible.

It just seems the biggest drain is winter. Without a pre heated battery I saw close to a 30% decrease in capacity. Otherwise it’s been closer to 15%.

Enhanced Auto Pilot

I’m a nerd and would love full auto pilot if I could afford it. That said, I’m in the camp of enjoying Enhanced Auto Pilot. I REALLY like it. I’ve driven a Tesla without it and mine with it. I would pay for it again.

I like the auto lane change feature. With a recent update it became much smoother. It’s far from perfect, but I like it and use it all the time.

Wipers

The wiper software is a joke. I have fun with it. But it’s terrible. I am looking forward to a better algorithm. Actually I’ve gone to using rain x and seldom use the wipers. And they seldom turn on by themselves.

Headlights

The headlights are the brightest I’ve ever had on a car and I really like them. I do a fair amount of night driving.

I used to blind other drivers a lot and they would flash their lights at me. I went into settings in the car and adjusted the headlights down one “notch” and people don’t flash their lights at me anymore.

Scroll Wheel Customization

I am in the camp of people that really like the customization of the left scroll wheel. That said, practically, I find that I never use it. That’s just me. I haven’t found something that I do a lot that is easier to use the scroll wheel for.

One Pedal Driving

I instantly took to one pedal driving. I REALLY like it. I almost never touch my brake pedal. One of the other benefits of an electric car is the brake regen, however with the way I drive I receive almost zero benefit from it. I live in flat country and I do highway driving. I get a little region from going down an occasional hill, and then again on the off ramp at the end of my trip. It’s still cool tech, but with freeway/highway driving in flat country I don’t get as much benefit from it.

Trip Computer

I didn’t trust the trip computer battery/mileage estimates for the first 4 months. I was usually significantly off. It would tell me I would arrive home with 20% battery but the reality was I’ would have 7% battery as an example. But after about 4 months of driving it seems to be pretty much spot on. I was afraid of what cold weather would do to the calculations but it actually seems to have gotten better. I don’t know if it took a while to learn how I drive or if a software update improved things. Regardless of how, I am very happy with the prediction now.

Cold Feet

Shortly before I picked up the car I was getting cold feet. I was afraid. No longer. Now I literally have cold feet. The vent near the footwell seems to do a terrible job of getting warm air to my feet. This is probably my biggest complaint. Do I need a blanket? A pair of battery operated socks? Seems silly. There should be a way to get more heat down there.

Bottom Line

I love this car. It is working out to be comparable to the Camry Hybrid XSE I was going to buy. It does pretty good in winter driving… so far. I love the tech. If you are looking to buy and are afraid of winter, I would say, don’t worry about it.



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I like your comment about keeping the battery at 50% most of the time. Have heard that somewhere else on the interwebs. That more than anything will probably encourage me to upgrade to 240v home charging in the near future, then, I can quickly add miles to our Y so the wife doesn’t feel compelled to maintain 80% SoC for her convenience / range anxiety.
 
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I have a Lithium Ion battery. My understanding is that around 50% is the "healthiest" state of charge to have it. I don't know much about the LFP batteries but I believe you want to keep those as close to 100% as possible. But I don't have one and have done very little research into them.
According to this article (BU-808: How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries ): "In terms of longevity, the optimal charge voltage is 3.92V/cell. Battery experts believe that this threshold eliminates all voltage-related stresses; going lower may not gain further benefits but induce other symptoms" - this charge level (3.92v) in a non-LFP Tesla battery is equivalent to 65% charge. That is supposedly the charge level that minimizes stress and negative impacts on battery life. I'm a new Tesla owner (10 days) and definitley not an expert, but this was the best article I found on causes of battery degredation and impacts of when / how you charge your battery.
 
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I’m thrilled with my Tesla after 6 months of ownership. I was an optimistic purchaser and it has largely delivered. I’ve learned a lot and liked a lot. Here are a few areas that have been meaningful to me.

For those of you that have read my previous posts you know that I was determined to purchase a Hybrid Camry XSE. I discovered that I could purchase a Tesla Model Y (during one of Elon’s “sales”) for less money than a Camry XSE. So I made a spontaneous jump and went with the Model Y. I am not convinced, in the end, that it will have saved me any money, but it will be close.

It’s not a completely fair comparison, but it is the two cars I was choosing between. So far the Tesla is $181 a month more expensive than the Camry would have been. Payment, “fuel”, maintenance, insurance, etc. But I plan to drive this car for 10 years and/or 300,000 miles. I still think that over the lifetime of the Tesla I’m going to come out a little ahead… and the Tesla is significantly more fun.

Anyway, onto the items I want to address this time:
  • Tires
  • Superchargers
  • Battery Strategy
  • Cold Weather
  • Enhanced Auto Pilot
  • Wipers
  • Headlights
  • Scroll Wheel customization
  • One Pedal Driving & Brake Regeneration
  • Trip Computer
  • Cold Feet
Tires:

After almost 25,000 miles I still have 7mm left on my tires. I feel they have worn evenly. I wish I knew how many mm they had to begin with. I’d be thrilled to get over 40k on these tires. Others have had experiences that suggest I won’t, but I’m hopeful. I don’t excellerate hard, unless I’m showing off, and I am doing mostly freeway driving.

I had a nail puncture while on a 2k mile trip. I had a tire puncture kit and air pump with me, but should have finished by including a travel jack that fits under the car. You need one for a low profile car. I also recommend a 3 ton jack. I started with a 2 ton jack and watched the car crush it. You’ll be happier if you are prepared for a flat.

Superchargers:

I must say that I have been very happy with the supercharger network. I live in the midwest and in a non-friendly EV state. What this means practically is that my superchargers are usually 75% available. So I never have any issue when needing a supercharger.

I also have come to realize (this is a no brainer to those veterans of EV’s) there is a HUGE difference between the 150 vs 250 chargers. I pretty much always skip the 150’s in favor of the much faster 250’s.

Lastly, when it comes to saving. If I’m on a 300+ mile trip and charge and home and then supplement with a supercharger it costs about the same as it would have if I was in the Camry Hybrid.

Battery Strategy:

I always charge my battery to 50% as soon as I pull in the garage. Then I set it to be ready to go the next morning at whatever percentage I need. This strategy seems to have worked well. After 25k miles I still have a rated range around 320 miles. It takes about 2 minutes every evening to figure out where I am going the next day and how much battery I will need.

I have charged to 100% about 5-7 times per month, but it reaches 100% minutes before I leaven and I drive it down to between 10-50% immediately. So my car spends the overwhelming majority of its life at 50% battery.

I learned this strategy from someone on this forum. I would give credit if I could remember who it was from. But for me, it seems to work well.

My father in law also has a model y, 1 year older than mine. Also 25k miles. He keeps it charged at 80% all of the time. His rated range is down to 301. I don’t know much about batteries, but anecdotally the strategy I’m using seems to be significantly better than his strategy. But there may be other factors I am uninformed about.

View attachment 1002574

Cold Weather:

This is a big one for me, but bottom line, I’m ok with the hit that I am taking in cold weather. And it is a big one. I haven’t even really hit winter in Wisconsin yet, but the effects I am seeing in the last few weeks are significant.

My takeaway is that if you are someone that travels less than 180 miles round trip in a day you can do anything you want year around and even though weather will use more energy you’ll be fine.

However, if you drive long distances like me, winter weather will require a few more charges each month to 100% and a few more supercharger stops. But I’m ok with the trade off. The car is that impressive to me.

Even though as the temperatures drop the battery life is more impacted, I would say it is minimal above 32 degrees. This is my opinion from experience over the last few weeks.

Now, when the temperature goes below 32 degrees, that’s when the fun begins. Here is the math on my range. Others may be able to double check if my concepts are correct.

Scenario 1: Between June and October 31 my car showed lifetime of 262 kWh.

My driving habits didn’t change, but the weather did. In November and December here are a few examples of cold weather trips.

Scenario 2: 337 Miles in 28 degrees. I used 120 kWh (about 1.5 battery) and averaged 355 kWh.

Scenario 3: 150+ miles in 30 degrees. I was getting 309 kWh.

Scenario 4: 250+ miles in 25 degrees with a 16 mph headwind. I was getting 415 kWh. (But my car sat outside for 2 hours and the batter never warmed up to the same operating condition as if it had been in my garage.

Scenario 5: 200+ miles at 15 degrees, but with a warm battery from pre heating and sitting in my garage. I was getting 330 kWh.

Here are some examples of range based on weather.

1 - at 262 kWh I could go 309 miles on a 100% charge

2 - at 355 kWh I could go 228 miles on a 100% charge

3 - at 309 kWh I could go 262 miles on a 100% charge

4 - at 415 kWh I could go 195 miles on a 100% charge

5 - at 330 kWh I could go 245 miles on a 100% charge

So, during summer and early fall my car that is rated for 330 miles at purchase I was getting around 309 miles of actual range.

But once the temperature dropped below 32 degrees my range dropped to between 195 and 262 miles on a full charge.

If I am able to preheat in the garage (which I am most of the time) the car does significantly better. But even if I have to sit in a cold parking lot for a few hours it’s still tolerable.

All of this said I have six weeks of -15 to 30 degree days ahead of me. After that, things begin to warm up again and my range should start increasing.

Another note, in the summer time I run the A/C always with is set between 66 and 70. In the cold weather I’ve run the heater usually at 70 but sometimes up to 74 degrees. I use the seat heater a lot. I have noticed very little batter usage difference between 70 degrees and 74 while using the heater.

It seems by far the two biggest battery drains are speed and cold. I used to do all kinds of things to eek out a little more range, but I have found that the things I could do did very little to make a difference. Slowing down, and preheating the car seem like the most important things and I do them consistently, when possible.

It just seems the biggest drain is winter. Without a pre heated battery I saw close to a 30% decrease in capacity. Otherwise it’s been closer to 15%.

Enhanced Auto Pilot

I’m a nerd and would love full auto pilot if I could afford it. That said, I’m in the camp of enjoying Enhanced Auto Pilot. I REALLY like it. I’ve driven a Tesla without it and mine with it. I would pay for it again.

I like the auto lane change feature. With a recent update it became much smoother. It’s far from perfect, but I like it and use it all the time.

Wipers

The wiper software is a joke. I have fun with it. But it’s terrible. I am looking forward to a better algorithm. Actually I’ve gone to using rain x and seldom use the wipers. And they seldom turn on by themselves.

Headlights

The headlights are the brightest I’ve ever had on a car and I really like them. I do a fair amount of night driving.

I used to blind other drivers a lot and they would flash their lights at me. I went into settings in the car and adjusted the headlights down one “notch” and people don’t flash their lights at me anymore.

Scroll Wheel Customization

I am in the camp of people that really like the customization of the left scroll wheel. That said, practically, I find that I never use it. That’s just me. I haven’t found something that I do a lot that is easier to use the scroll wheel for.

One Pedal Driving

I instantly took to one pedal driving. I REALLY like it. I almost never touch my brake pedal. One of the other benefits of an electric car is the brake regen, however with the way I drive I receive almost zero benefit from it. I live in flat country and I do highway driving. I get a little region from going down an occasional hill, and then again on the off ramp at the end of my trip. It’s still cool tech, but with freeway/highway driving in flat country I don’t get as much benefit from it.

Trip Computer

I didn’t trust the trip computer battery/mileage estimates for the first 4 months. I was usually significantly off. It would tell me I would arrive home with 20% battery but the reality was I’ would have 7% battery as an example. But after about 4 months of driving it seems to be pretty much spot on. I was afraid of what cold weather would do to the calculations but it actually seems to have gotten better. I don’t know if it took a while to learn how I drive or if a software update improved things. Regardless of how, I am very happy with the prediction now.

Cold Feet

Shortly before I picked up the car I was getting cold feet. I was afraid. No longer. Now I literally have cold feet. The vent near the footwell seems to do a terrible job of getting warm air to my feet. This is probably my biggest complaint. Do I need a blanket? A pair of battery operated socks? Seems silly. There should be a way to get more heat down there.

Bottom Line

I love this car. It is working out to be comparable to the Camry Hybrid XSE I was going to buy. It does pretty good in winter driving… so far. I love the tech. If you are looking to buy and are afraid of winter, I would say, don’t worry about it.



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Concerning winter losses. Chill mode allows the battery to be cooler, as the extra heat is not needed for maximum performance. It's in the manual. In the summer it's moot, but in the winter extra energy is used to warm the battery. I drive 50 miles to a ski area every other day and have noticed chill mode saves 5%. My winter hit was 20% in normal mode, now only 15% in chill mode.
 
I’m thrilled with my Tesla after 6 months of ownership. I was an optimistic purchaser and it has largely delivered. I’ve learned a lot and liked a lot. Here are a few areas that have been meaningful to me.

For those of you that have read my previous posts you know that I was determined to purchase a Hybrid Camry XSE. I discovered that I could purchase a Tesla Model Y (during one of Elon’s “sales”) for less money than a Camry XSE. So I made a spontaneous jump and went with the Model Y. I am not convinced, in the end, that it will have saved me any money, but it will be close.

It’s not a completely fair comparison, but it is the two cars I was choosing between. So far the Tesla is $181 a month more expensive than the Camry would have been. Payment, “fuel”, maintenance, insurance, etc. But I plan to drive this car for 10 years and/or 300,000 miles. I still think that over the lifetime of the Tesla I’m going to come out a little ahead… and the Tesla is significantly more fun.

Anyway, onto the items I want to address this time:
  • Tires
  • Superchargers
  • Battery Strategy
  • Cold Weather
  • Enhanced Auto Pilot
  • Wipers
  • Headlights
  • Scroll Wheel customization
  • One Pedal Driving & Brake Regeneration
  • Trip Computer
  • Cold Feet
Tires:

After almost 25,000 miles I still have 7mm left on my tires. I feel they have worn evenly. I wish I knew how many mm they had to begin with. I’d be thrilled to get over 40k on these tires. Others have had experiences that suggest I won’t, but I’m hopeful. I don’t excellerate hard, unless I’m showing off, and I am doing mostly freeway driving.

I had a nail puncture while on a 2k mile trip. I had a tire puncture kit and air pump with me, but should have finished by including a travel jack that fits under the car. You need one for a low profile car. I also recommend a 3 ton jack. I started with a 2 ton jack and watched the car crush it. You’ll be happier if you are prepared for a flat.

Superchargers:

I must say that I have been very happy with the supercharger network. I live in the midwest and in a non-friendly EV state. What this means practically is that my superchargers are usually 75% available. So I never have any issue when needing a supercharger.

I also have come to realize (this is a no brainer to those veterans of EV’s) there is a HUGE difference between the 150 vs 250 chargers. I pretty much always skip the 150’s in favor of the much faster 250’s.

Lastly, when it comes to saving. If I’m on a 300+ mile trip and charge and home and then supplement with a supercharger it costs about the same as it would have if I was in the Camry Hybrid.

Battery Strategy:

I always charge my battery to 50% as soon as I pull in the garage. Then I set it to be ready to go the next morning at whatever percentage I need. This strategy seems to have worked well. After 25k miles I still have a rated range around 320 miles. It takes about 2 minutes every evening to figure out where I am going the next day and how much battery I will need.

I have charged to 100% about 5-7 times per month, but it reaches 100% minutes before I leaven and I drive it down to between 10-50% immediately. So my car spends the overwhelming majority of its life at 50% battery.

I learned this strategy from someone on this forum. I would give credit if I could remember who it was from. But for me, it seems to work well.

My father in law also has a model y, 1 year older than mine. Also 25k miles. He keeps it charged at 80% all of the time. His rated range is down to 301. I don’t know much about batteries, but anecdotally the strategy I’m using seems to be significantly better than his strategy. But there may be other factors I am uninformed about.

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Cold Weather:

This is a big one for me, but bottom line, I’m ok with the hit that I am taking in cold weather. And it is a big one. I haven’t even really hit winter in Wisconsin yet, but the effects I am seeing in the last few weeks are significant.

My takeaway is that if you are someone that travels less than 180 miles round trip in a day you can do anything you want year around and even though weather will use more energy you’ll be fine.

However, if you drive long distances like me, winter weather will require a few more charges each month to 100% and a few more supercharger stops. But I’m ok with the trade off. The car is that impressive to me.

Even though as the temperatures drop the battery life is more impacted, I would say it is minimal above 32 degrees. This is my opinion from experience over the last few weeks.

Now, when the temperature goes below 32 degrees, that’s when the fun begins. Here is the math on my range. Others may be able to double check if my concepts are correct.

Scenario 1: Between June and October 31 my car showed lifetime of 262 kWh.

My driving habits didn’t change, but the weather did. In November and December here are a few examples of cold weather trips.

Scenario 2: 337 Miles in 28 degrees. I used 120 kWh (about 1.5 battery) and averaged 355 kWh.

Scenario 3: 150+ miles in 30 degrees. I was getting 309 kWh.

Scenario 4: 250+ miles in 25 degrees with a 16 mph headwind. I was getting 415 kWh. (But my car sat outside for 2 hours and the batter never warmed up to the same operating condition as if it had been in my garage.

Scenario 5: 200+ miles at 15 degrees, but with a warm battery from pre heating and sitting in my garage. I was getting 330 kWh.

Here are some examples of range based on weather.

1 - at 262 kWh I could go 309 miles on a 100% charge

2 - at 355 kWh I could go 228 miles on a 100% charge

3 - at 309 kWh I could go 262 miles on a 100% charge

4 - at 415 kWh I could go 195 miles on a 100% charge

5 - at 330 kWh I could go 245 miles on a 100% charge

So, during summer and early fall my car that is rated for 330 miles at purchase I was getting around 309 miles of actual range.

But once the temperature dropped below 32 degrees my range dropped to between 195 and 262 miles on a full charge.

If I am able to preheat in the garage (which I am most of the time) the car does significantly better. But even if I have to sit in a cold parking lot for a few hours it’s still tolerable.

All of this said I have six weeks of -15 to 30 degree days ahead of me. After that, things begin to warm up again and my range should start increasing.

Another note, in the summer time I run the A/C always with is set between 66 and 70. In the cold weather I’ve run the heater usually at 70 but sometimes up to 74 degrees. I use the seat heater a lot. I have noticed very little batter usage difference between 70 degrees and 74 while using the heater.

It seems by far the two biggest battery drains are speed and cold. I used to do all kinds of things to eek out a little more range, but I have found that the things I could do did very little to make a difference. Slowing down, and preheating the car seem like the most important things and I do them consistently, when possible.

It just seems the biggest drain is winter. Without a pre heated battery I saw close to a 30% decrease in capacity. Otherwise it’s been closer to 15%.

Enhanced Auto Pilot

I’m a nerd and would love full auto pilot if I could afford it. That said, I’m in the camp of enjoying Enhanced Auto Pilot. I REALLY like it. I’ve driven a Tesla without it and mine with it. I would pay for it again.

I like the auto lane change feature. With a recent update it became much smoother. It’s far from perfect, but I like it and use it all the time.

Wipers

The wiper software is a joke. I have fun with it. But it’s terrible. I am looking forward to a better algorithm. Actually I’ve gone to using rain x and seldom use the wipers. And they seldom turn on by themselves.

Headlights

The headlights are the brightest I’ve ever had on a car and I really like them. I do a fair amount of night driving.

I used to blind other drivers a lot and they would flash their lights at me. I went into settings in the car and adjusted the headlights down one “notch” and people don’t flash their lights at me anymore.

Scroll Wheel Customization

I am in the camp of people that really like the customization of the left scroll wheel. That said, practically, I find that I never use it. That’s just me. I haven’t found something that I do a lot that is easier to use the scroll wheel for.

One Pedal Driving

I instantly took to one pedal driving. I REALLY like it. I almost never touch my brake pedal. One of the other benefits of an electric car is the brake regen, however with the way I drive I receive almost zero benefit from it. I live in flat country and I do highway driving. I get a little region from going down an occasional hill, and then again on the off ramp at the end of my trip. It’s still cool tech, but with freeway/highway driving in flat country I don’t get as much benefit from it.

Trip Computer

I didn’t trust the trip computer battery/mileage estimates for the first 4 months. I was usually significantly off. It would tell me I would arrive home with 20% battery but the reality was I’ would have 7% battery as an example. But after about 4 months of driving it seems to be pretty much spot on. I was afraid of what cold weather would do to the calculations but it actually seems to have gotten better. I don’t know if it took a while to learn how I drive or if a software update improved things. Regardless of how, I am very happy with the prediction now.

Cold Feet

Shortly before I picked up the car I was getting cold feet. I was afraid. No longer. Now I literally have cold feet. The vent near the footwell seems to do a terrible job of getting warm air to my feet. This is probably my biggest complaint. Do I need a blanket? A pair of battery operated socks? Seems silly. There should be a way to get more heat down there.

Bottom Line

I love this car. It is working out to be comparable to the Camry Hybrid XSE I was going to buy. It does pretty good in winter driving… so far. I love the tech. If you are looking to buy and are afraid of winter, I would say, don’t worry about it.



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An excellent report. Forgive me if I pick up on one point, your two ton Jack, which if a decent product genuinely rated at two tons should not have failed. Could you please describe the crushing event?
 
An excellent report. Forgive me if I pick up on one point, your two ton Jack, which if a decent product genuinely rated at two tons should not have failed. Could you please describe the crushing event?
haha - yes. The car was not on a level surface. So its wasn't just gravity, but gravity at an angle. Who knows, under the same circumstances maybe a 3 ton jack would have failed as well. It's an absurd story really. I was on a 1000 mile road trip. Got a nail in my tire. Went to an auto zone in the dark and rain. They had noting to "loan" me so I bought a jack and lug wrench. I quickly discovered that he jack wouldn't fit under the car because it wasn't a low profile jack and auto zone didn't have one. So I backed the car up on the curb so I could get the jack under the car. It worked and I got the tire off... but then discovered the angle was crushing the jack and the car was falling. If crushed so much I couldn't get the wheel back on... in the dark... and rain. /sigh/.

Anyway, I now carry a low profile 3 ton jack and lug wrench. I already had a tire repair kit and I keep that in the car too.
 
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Great initial review.

Few things Tesla could fix and maybe you could add to your list.
Tesla should really add a "Turn off" feature for these:
1. The rear seat rattle that comes standard, even on the base model Y.
2. The stinky wet gym sock smell that develops in the AC system after a few seasons. Maybe they can provide a screen saver video of socks hanging out to dry much like the romantic fireplace.

We also find the Y uses a lot of power in sub zero temps, we are experiencing -12C. We have both teslas in a heated garage (8C) and preheat min 15 minutes using shore power before facing the cold.
 
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Great initial review.

Few things Tesla could fix and maybe you could add to your list.
Tesla should really add a "Turn off" feature for these:
1. The rear seat rattle that comes standard, even on the base model Y.
2. The stinky wet gym sock smell that develops in the AC system after a few seasons. Maybe they can provide a screen saver video of socks hanging out to dry much like the romantic fireplace.

We also find the Y uses a lot of power in sub zero temps, we are experiencing -12C. We have both teslas in a heated garage (8C) and preheat min 15 minutes using shore power before facing the cold.
Damn! Eighteen months already and my Y is still missing features 1. and 2. and there you are wanting them turned off!

As for -12C , I have thus far avoided winter with J. Canuck although, I have enjoyed some summer days in Ontario and Quebec province.

Now then ... SWMBO is exhorting me to " Get the Ranger round with some smelly socks and spanners". ( As though my socks aren't smelly enough) "Yes, but we paid for a feature rich Tesla. So, let's wash yours; I prefer OEM."
 
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What jack did you end up going with?
I have a 3 ton floor jack in my garage, but purchased the following on amazon. I assume it works, but didn't try it, other than to verify it fits under the car with the "puck" installed.

Car Jack Kit | Scissor Jack for Car 3 Ton (6,600 lbs) - Tire Jack Tool Kit | Portable, Ideal for SUV and Auto - Universal Car Emergency Kit with Lug Wrench | Heavy Duty Material​


 
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If u have stalks on your car the easiest way of getting access to your wipers is to touch the end of the left hand stalk which will bring the wiper menu up at the bottom of the touchscreen giving u easy access to alter the speed of the wipers or if u want too u can turn them off completely.
Also after you push the button at the end of the stalk and the wiper menu appears, you can press left/right on the left scroll wheel to change the wiper setting. This can be nicer sometimes since you don’t have to take eyes off the road.
 
According to this article (BU-808: How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries ): "In terms of longevity, the optimal charge voltage is 3.92V/cell. Battery experts believe that this threshold eliminates all voltage-related stresses; going lower may not gain further benefits but induce other symptoms" - this charge level (3.92v) in a non-LFP Tesla battery is equivalent to 65% charge. That is supposedly the charge level that minimizes stress and negative impacts on battery life. I'm a new Tesla owner (10 days) and definitley not an expert, but this was the best article I found on causes of battery degredation and impacts of when / how you charge your battery.
If you want an advanced course on battery management, search the forum for @AAKEE and his posts on the issue