BobDolesGhost
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I'm betting this is it. With the latest FW if you put a weight on the wheel, at about the 10min mark it strikes you and dumps AP. Vol/Speed rolling doesn't affect it eitherDo you have a wheel weight?
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I'm betting this is it. With the latest FW if you put a weight on the wheel, at about the 10min mark it strikes you and dumps AP. Vol/Speed rolling doesn't affect it eitherDo you have a wheel weight?
I believe that Tesla uses head position as a fallback when it cannot track the eyes.I kinda suspect Tesla is giving up on using a camera for eye tracking to replace wheel torque. There are just too may variables and situations that a camera can't handle well. I wouldn't be surprised if the refreshed 3 had IR sensor and was also added to the Y and all legacy are stuck with wheel torque. After all if completely accurate eye tracking was imminent why double down on torque defeat device detection?
Using Tesla's words against them that driving is done with vision. Well seeing someones eyes can't always be done with vision. Even simple dark sunglasses and you can't tell if someone is looking at you or in another direction.
I was getting false "non-attention" alerts. The first time it starting happening I was fussing around trying to find out why and it finally bumped me out of FSD for the trip and gave me a strike. After that I would immediately deactivate FSD if it started doing that, plus I made a service appointment. They replaced my in-cabin camera and adjusted the headliner which was partially blocking the camera. The problem went away. When it false reports were generated I had my hands on the wheel and my eyes on the road.I haven’t seen one. I believe hardware failures do occur of course.
This seems like the logical low impact way of dealing with the issue.I was getting false "non-attention" alerts. The first time it starting happening I was fussing around trying to find out why and it finally bumped me out of FSD for the trip and gave me a strike. After that I would immediately deactivate FSD if it started doing that, plus I made a service appointment. They replaced my in-cabin camera and adjusted the headliner which was partially blocking the camera. The problem went away. When it false reports were generated I had my hands on the wheel and my eyes on the road.
I've driven a Chevy Bolt EUV. It does not require ANY wheel engagement at all. The camera on the steering wheel monitors your eyes (and is NOT too aggressive.. you can look out the side window every now and then). Also I have seen videos and there are clearly LED sensors on the side of the Supercruise bar on the wheel that mnust do sone type of monitoring as well.II kinda suspect Tesla is giving up on using a camera for eye tracking to replace wheel torque. There are just too may variables and situations that a camera can't handle well. I wouldn't be surprised if the refreshed 3 had IR sensor and was also added to the Y and all legacy are stuck with wheel torque. After all if completely accurate eye tracking was imminent why double down on torque defeat device detection?
Using Tesla's words against them that driving is done with vision. Well seeing someones eyes can't always be done with vision. Even simple dark sunglasses and you can't tell if someone is looking at you or in another direction.
You need to understand Teslas unique perspective. The perspective that Chevy/GM, Ford, VW, consumer reports , the General media, and of course even the government have.I've driven a Chevy Bolt EUV. It does not require ANY wheel engagement at all. The camera on the steering wheel monitors your eyes (and is NOT too aggressive.. you can look out the side window every now and then). Also I have seen videos and there are clearly LED sensors on the side of the Supercruise bar on the wheel that mnust do sone type of monitoring as well.I
In any case, although its not anywhere near as great as AP, the execution is much more relaxing... The nags are just annoying and it's MORE distracting to me than safe. I hope they perfect the camera monitoring like the Bolt does. And they need tio stop kicking yoiu out without any warning at all too
People have been making this excuse for Tesla since they started almost a decade ago, look through the archives on this forum and you'll see what I'm talking about..You need to understand Teslas unique perspective. The perspective that Chevy/GM, Ford, VW, consumer reports , the General media, and of course even the government have.
Everyone mentioned above, are judged by different optics and rules than Tesla is.
Tesla has to do this safer, and better, or they’ll be roasted and sued instantly. Unlike everyone else.
Tesla is not allowed to play by the same rules everyone else is. The media, and government see to that.
Perspective…
Not sure what your point is. ..People have been making this excuse for Tesla since they started almost a decade ago, look through the archives on this forum and you'll see what I'm talking about..
Not sure why you're talking about EVs being hard, I never said anything about them being easy. And your opinion is not fact no matter how strongly you state it.Not sure what your point is. ..
It’s not an excuse it’s a fact.
The EV auto industry is hard. Others make more mistakes that are never printed. No one is doing it better.
That’s not an excuse. It’s a fact.
This is insane and I totally agree2021 Model YLR
Update 2022.36.20 What is going on!!! FSD strikes out of nowhere.
For almost a year I have had the full self-drive. (Yes, I did the safety score and all) I have 21,000 miles and I would say that 98% is FSD. I had one strike months ago, but after the update to 2022.36.20 I got 4 strikes within 86 miles and have been blocked out. The update did not reset the strikes to zero.
There were no warnings, nothing. Just a disengagement of FSD. The first strike I was looking out the window for 30 seconds and FSD disengaged. Reset the FSD (stop and start the car), started driving and soon it disengaged again. No warning at all. One strike came after another and soon I had 5 and it was over.
I cannot not express how conservatively I was driving. The last thing I wanted was to strike out of FSD.
If this is the way FSD is going to monitor drivers, it will never work. It is not worth the $200.00 monthly if you cannot look out a window while on FSD. Tesla has become too conservative while driving on FSD to make FSD worth the effort and the money. Maybe it is the government’s requirements, I do not know but FSD will never be adapted by the public in the current condition. I don’t see the point in FSD if I must be more attentive driving with FSD, than without.
While driving on FSD I am constantly taking over from Tesla, making corrections, and sending data to Tesla. When it is Tesla faults, no penalty but when I look out the window for a second it is my fault and Tesla strikes me out.
I bought the Tesla for the FSD, and if this is the future for FSD then I would not but another Tesla. I just do not see the advantages over so many other cars that are available.
I would not have updated if I have known this.
Its good to agree, but also good to remember that there have been three FSD releases (and many more to come )since this one which has probably changed the behavior for most folks, or at least the ones not using wheel weightsThis is insane and I totally agree