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I got a very unfair third strike that I do not understand. Please help.
- Thread starter PhysicsGuy
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Early January I was , for the first time in many years, having trouble with autopilot warnings and strikes. After reading this thread, I drove about 300 miles with very few warnings (and zero strikes). I really appreciate everyone's helpful comments and look forward to more. OP
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
I got this to happen a couple times. Was afraid to be too adventurous due to possibility of a strike.
Had a hard time doing it reproducibly. One time it happened immediately after engagement and the next time I had to stare downwards for a second or two more.
I couldn’t get it to happen if I immediately was looking forward as I engaged but maybe it is possible.
So it is really a front-loaded check, taking place after engagement, but it is possible it does take into account behavior just prior to engagement - not sure about that.
Interesting what sort of behaviors people find! You really have to be looking down when engaging FSD! I guess people know they aren’t paying any attention and want extra safety!
If they took prior behavior into account then I doubt there would be a problem. This behavior smacks of a simple bug stemming from how they manage the distraction data. It might have been that they always kept that data up to date, regardless of whether the system was running. But they made an "optimization" to stop updating if the system isn't active. That means that when the system is activated, they have to start collecting data. What's the only available data after engaging? The driver is looking at the screen. He's distracted. Better nag him.
DirtyTesla mentioned that when he engages FSD, he immediately looks at the speed setting, so he always gets the instant nag now. I can imagine that some people have gotten into the habit of looking for the steering wheel icon going blue. I don't look at the screen after activating, so I've never gotten that nag and was surprised when people talked about it.
KArnold
Active Member
It happens on cars with no interior camera as well. We may be overthinking this - might simply be 3 seconds after FSD is engaged alone.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
I can’t get this nag looking at the speed. My head has to be angled downwards more. May be dependent on driving position and how much you move your head down (for example if you wear non-progressive reading glasses you might tilt your head down more as you engage to read the speed).
I still haven’t been able to get it if I immediately lift my head as I engage.
Handsome Jack
Member
I'm in Europe so no FSD for us but I also have bad experience with Tesla nagging - to stop it just resting your hand is not enough. Wiggling is also not enough, I've also got several disengages while perfectly holding wheel, applying force, wiggling.
I solved it by using cheating device that constantly applies force. I still hold my hand slightly on a wheel so I'm able to react instantly, I'm looking straight on the road, but no longer experience annoying nags, so I also don't need to constantly look at the screen if nag went away or not - and can focus more on the road.
I solved it by using cheating device that constantly applies force. I still hold my hand slightly on a wheel so I'm able to react instantly, I'm looking straight on the road, but no longer experience annoying nags, so I also don't need to constantly look at the screen if nag went away or not - and can focus more on the road.
teslexus
Member
teslexus
Member
just wondering why ther is no time stamp on those strikes and description of each strike why we were penalized
teslexus
Member
i think it will be very helpfull to get descripion of each strike and if possible list of things tesla considering as strike .
because why would you take long trip with zero strikes or with 4 stikes because if you dont know exact precondition or condition for strike really doesn't matter .....during trip you will possibly get 5 strikes
even if you doing everything right using common sence still will not helping us
driving tesla and having fear about strikes is not something we like
ghost braking and strikes for round about should have new firmware update
botto;m line fsd is not to be used in canada on fade marked road
because why would you take long trip with zero strikes or with 4 stikes because if you dont know exact precondition or condition for strike really doesn't matter .....during trip you will possibly get 5 strikes
even if you doing everything right using common sence still will not helping us
driving tesla and having fear about strikes is not something we like
ghost braking and strikes for round about should have new firmware update
botto;m line fsd is not to be used in canada on fade marked road
teslexus
Member
autosteer vs autopilot vs fsd
its a bit confusing i just find out that our model 2023 are with autosteer
level one fsd is option for couple thousand dollars
level two fsd is over six thousand dollar but it can take live update any time
now if iam not wrong we have autosteer for life and that is just helpfull to keep your car in center between lines and keep distance between cars
well that is almost same thing as regular cruise control on any car holding stering wheel
i have 2 tesla S and Y and i am stil learning stuff
but dont like when cust rep is not giving correct info over phone regarding those strikes and maks you think that is something fishy going on in order to force you to take full fsd option sam they were pushing me to take premium connection vs sharing hot spot with my cell phone
its a bit confusing i just find out that our model 2023 are with autosteer
level one fsd is option for couple thousand dollars
level two fsd is over six thousand dollar but it can take live update any time
now if iam not wrong we have autosteer for life and that is just helpfull to keep your car in center between lines and keep distance between cars
well that is almost same thing as regular cruise control on any car holding stering wheel
i have 2 tesla S and Y and i am stil learning stuff
but dont like when cust rep is not giving correct info over phone regarding those strikes and maks you think that is something fishy going on in order to force you to take full fsd option sam they were pushing me to take premium connection vs sharing hot spot with my cell phone
Cachris
Member
It's not just you my car does the same thing. I was on the 101 as well, heading to Portland and did not make past Slo before getting three warnings. I have never gotten FSD to work for long on road trips.
It is helpful if you post details in a signature line with your model of car and software version. It makes a HUGE difference when people respond to you because there a subtle changes in models and in software versions making responses helpful or useless.
In the meantime, you need to read and understand this page:
Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability | Tesla Support
Autopilot is an advanced driver assistance system that enhances safety and convenience behind the wheel. When used properly, Autopilot reduces your overall workload as a driver. Learn more about Autopilot.
It will help you understand that Autopilot (a marketing name, NOT an accurate description of the feature), is made up of traffic aware cruise control (TACC) and Autosteer (which keeps your car in the lane.) All teslas now come with this.
Enhanced Autopilot adds some additional stuff to that (but those last three features are currently not working on new cars because.... tesla is happy to sell you promises, not working features.)
Full Self Driving (FSD) is another marketing name and not an accurate description of the feature and is currently in beta mode.
There is no hands-free or eyes-free 'driving' with a tesla. You are always required to have hands on the wheel providing torque and your eyes cannot be determined by the interior camera, which is ill placed for this task, to be not looking down either at the screen or at a phone.
If you wanted a car that allows for some hands-free driving, you needed to have bought something else.
What you currently have is a car with driver assist features, and the capability of someday being the greatest thing in autonomous driving. All the driver assist features are currently very much in development and changing (in December Autopilot took a step backward in ease of use) and FSDbeta may curb your wheels, drive through red lights, and/or drive into oncoming traffic. Hence the need to pay extremely close attention and be willing to take over control of the car in a fraction of a second.
If you are looking for a more relaxing drive, the best tesla can off is the autopilot which came with your car. On highways it is pretty great. Enhanced Autopilot's auto lane change is smooth but probably not worth the money. I don't bother with Navigate on Autopilot can see others might like it. But it is for highway use, not city streets. For city streets, you need to go to FSD and take the bad with the good.
teslexus
Member
i thing dont spend any extraa mones on auto pilot .use car like any other and enjoy when passing gas station without stopping .who cares about autopilot anyway it will not work in some extremely;e weather condition .
winter time sunny day negative 10 deg celsius outdoor highway drive under big bridge water was still there BLACK ICE tesla camera cant see and tesla start spinning 360 fortunately no injuries and no property damage .
forget auto pilot live longer and enjoy ev vehicle.
winter time sunny day negative 10 deg celsius outdoor highway drive under big bridge water was still there BLACK ICE tesla camera cant see and tesla start spinning 360 fortunately no injuries and no property damage .
forget auto pilot live longer and enjoy ev vehicle.
teslexus
Member
110 % agree with you every word in your post is thrue.It is helpful if you post details in a signature line with your model of car and software version. It makes a HUGE difference when people respond to you because there a subtle changes in models and in software versions making responses helpful or useless.
In the meantime, you need to read and understand this page:
Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability | Tesla Support
Autopilot is an advanced driver assistance system that enhances safety and convenience behind the wheel. When used properly, Autopilot reduces your overall workload as a driver. Learn more about Autopilot.www.tesla.com
It will help you understand that Autopilot (a marketing name, NOT an accurate description of the feature), is made up of traffic aware cruise control (TACC) and Autosteer (which keeps your car in the lane.) All teslas now come with this.
Enhanced Autopilot adds some additional stuff to that (but those last three features are currently not working on new cars because.... tesla is happy to sell you promises, not working features.)
Full Self Driving (FSD) is another marketing name and not an accurate description of the feature and is currently in beta mode.
There is no hands-free or eyes-free 'driving' with a tesla. You are always required to have hands on the wheel providing torque and your eyes cannot be determined by the interior camera, which is ill placed for this task, to be not looking down either at the screen or at a phone.
If you wanted a car that allows for some hands-free driving, you needed to have bought something else.
What you currently have is a car with driver assist features, and the capability of someday being the greatest thing in autonomous driving. All the driver assist features are currently very much in development and changing (in December Autopilot took a step backward in ease of use) and FSDbeta may curb your wheels, drive through red lights, and/or drive into oncoming traffic. Hence the need to pay extremely close attention and be willing to take over control of the car in a fraction of a second.
If you are looking for a more relaxing drive, the best tesla can off is the autopilot which came with your car. On highways it is pretty great. Enhanced Autopilot's auto lane change is smooth but probably not worth the money. I don't bother with Navigate on Autopilot can see others might like it. But it is for highway use, not city streets. For city streets, you need to go to FSD and take the bad with the good.
teslexus
Member
m;odel y ver. 11.1 2024.2.7 latest software
long range 2023 dual motor
accelerator's booster pack coming soon
autopilot
19 inch wheels
long range 2023 dual motor
accelerator's booster pack coming soon
autopilot
19 inch wheels
teslexus
Member
I just did a bit rear brake service to see how tesla guys did it.first remove 10 mm bolt holding bracket.
teslexus
Member
teslexus
Member
After that was easy to remove caliper and brake pads to clean .
One amazing thing ,tesla was using some super strange grease on sliding pins .
Which dry out after 3 month driving and pistons not seized but very hard to move in and out .that is maybe reason why range was less .so we put special silicone higher temp grease and sliding pin can move very easy now.
One amazing thing ,tesla was using some super strange grease on sliding pins .
Which dry out after 3 month driving and pistons not seized but very hard to move in and out .that is maybe reason why range was less .so we put special silicone higher temp grease and sliding pin can move very easy now.
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