Daniel in SD
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Volkswagen XL1. 2.6 gallon tank. 240mpg (I think this is NEDC cycle though). Diesel, so 40.7kWh per gallon. They only made 250 of them though.Try going 300 miles or more on 3 gallons of gas on any ICE car.
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Volkswagen XL1. 2.6 gallon tank. 240mpg (I think this is NEDC cycle though). Diesel, so 40.7kWh per gallon. They only made 250 of them though.Try going 300 miles or more on 3 gallons of gas on any ICE car.
Correct! The more solar "freeloaders" increase the higher the kWh cost. We're excited to join the "freeloaders" in December when our $42,000 / 14.8kW DC SunPower solar system comes online.I'm a little confused. What are the rates for businesses that use more than 20kW of power peak? SCE rates allow them to add Demand Charges if we exceed 20kW more than 3time a year. These would increase our bill and kWh rate 50% to 100%
How will solar reduce demand charges? One cloudy hour on a hot day and you're screwed. We typically near our 20kW Demand limit when its HOT... which is SUNNY in SoCal. On the few days its cloudy here its not HOT. We've also got all 3 of our high efficiency variable speed HVAC units on Ecobee Smart Thermostats with Smart Sensors monitoring every room for temperature AND occupancy (empty room temps ignored). These are enrolled in Ecobee's SmartBuildings web based smart HVAC management program: SmartBuildings Smart Wi-Fi Thermostats by ecobee which allows us to have our 3 HVACs set to "stagger start" avoiding our 20kW Demand threshold.
Also, workplace charging could work if you just limit it to the times with 16c rate (which is most of regular work hours). Yes but that would require switching OFF the 48A 208V (SCE commercial is 3-phase power) Tesla Wall Charger on a schedule... which to my knowledge require an expen$ive 3-phase 60A 240V remote controlled circuit breaker... and frustration from the EV users when their charging shut off at 4:00 PM... or earlier during a SCE declared Demand Response ("DR") event.
No doubt CA electricity is super expensive. I'm sure some of it has to do with freeloaders like me who use the grid for free because of roof top solar.
I thought Tesla said they wouldn’t make the superchargers a profit center? After paying $14.56 for driving 140 miles from home charger to Supercharger and topping off, I realized it would have been cheaper to drive my pickup. At the current cost of fuel which is $2.25 per gallon here this equates to an ICE getting 21.5mpg. Not too impressive. A regular car comparable to a Model 3 would easily get 30mpg, probably more like 35-40mpg.
Are the supercharger rates here in Montana just excessively high, or is that the normal across the nation.
Makes me really miss free supercharging....
Interesting. I've never thought of this car as a great long distance driver. It's more of an intown driver. For long distance driving, I use my apocalypse lexus....more comfortable and definitely gives better mileages considering what it can haul.
I have seen utility schedules that have one commercial tariff for peak loads below 'x' kW and and a different tariff above 'x' kW
It is supposed to reflect the cost of a larger transformer
I agree. Any trip more than 500-600 miles is rouger in my Tesla and we take the Volvo. A 9 hour trip turns into 11-11.5 hours in a Tesla. The stops now take up too much time for charging, the SuperCharger costs add up more than gas, and the constant "stay within * speed to make destination" is frustrating at time. I love our Tesla and its great for a small trip, but most of the time when we head long distances, we take the Volvo.
To each his own I suppose; I regularly drive from NM to WA in my Tesla. I find it far more relaxing and convenient than my old fools fuel burning TDI. Driving for 9 hours without ~2 hours of breaks dispersed in the trip is stressful and generally a bad idea.
With regards to cost you need to account for the ~full 'tank' you're leaving with that cost ~$0.10/kWh not the higher SC rates. AND the fact that it's fairly easy to find a hotel that will fill you up for free. AND the fact that when you return home you can again fill up for ~$0.10/kWh;
Then there's the obvious reality that only morons and monsters use fools fuel where alternatives exist. As a general rule I do my best to avoid that behavior....
It's common.
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Looks like they're on one of the options under TOU-GS-1, which is limited to 20kW. Then they get hit hard if they exceed 20kW, maybe because they fall under a different option, or they have special demand charges..
GS-2 is 20kW to 200kW and has demand charges.
Solar should help. Panels generate even on a cloudy day.
The post is about "Traveling by supercharger more expensive than ICE" not "Charging at home is cheaper than charging at a supercharger"
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Except traveling is a blend of destination and Supercharger use in the vast majority of cases.The post is about "Traveling by supercharger more expensive than ICE" not "Charging at home is cheaper than charging at a supercharger"
IME, most all affluent people got that way by paying attention to such details.I wonder why someone with a twin turbo mercedes, a corvette and a tesla is worried about supercharging prices...
If Biden wins revisit this math when the fuel subsidies are removed and gas is $6-$8 a gallon and SCs cost remains the same.
superchargers as profit generators.
To each his own I suppose; I regularly drive from NM to WA in my Tesla. I find it far more relaxing and convenient than my old fools fuel burning TDI. Driving for 9 hours without ~2 hours of breaks dispersed in the trip is stressful and generally a bad idea. If you have a newer Tesla you're stoping for ~20 minutes every ~2 hours which is ~perfect.
With regards to cost you need to account for the ~full 'tank' you're leaving with that cost ~$0.10/kWh not the higher SC rates. AND the fact that it's fairly easy to find a hotel that will fill you up for free. AND the fact that when you return home you can again fill up for ~$0.10/kWh;
Then there's the obvious reality that only morons and monsters use fools fuel where alternatives exist. As a general rule I do my best to avoid that behavior....
....finding a hotel that lets you charge for free is not a fact.... stopping for 20min every 2hrs....shoot....waste of time....where's that coffee can?
I obviously agree with your point, I am just nitpicking a little here ..So if 1 car charges at 200kW their bill is $3k for the month. They need to charge ~75 cars from empty to full at $0.40/kWh just to break even on demand fees.
Yep, or installation or upkeep or rent ..That's not counting the cost of electricity or infrastructure.
We do not have home charging, so its SuperCharging all the time when we need to use the Tesla, so for me its the same cost leaving and returning. My argument isn't that it isn't enjoyable to take a trip in the Tesla, sometimes time is money outside of taking time out for charging. My wife and I take turns and usually do 12 hours in a day if we go somewhere. It's just "easier" in the Volvo vs the Tesla for trips that long...all fossil fuels aside.To each his own I suppose; I regularly drive from NM to WA in my Tesla. I find it far more relaxing and convenient than my old fools fuel burning TDI. Driving for 9 hours without ~2 hours of breaks dispersed in the trip is stressful and generally a bad idea. If you have a newer Tesla you're stoping for ~20 minutes every ~2 hours which is ~perfect.
With regards to cost you need to account for the ~full 'tank' you're leaving with that cost ~$0.10/kWh not the higher SC rates. AND the fact that it's fairly easy to find a hotel that will fill you up for free. AND the fact that when you return home you can again fill up for ~$0.10/kWh;
Then there's the obvious reality that only morons and monsters use fools fuel where alternatives exist. As a general rule I do my best to avoid that behavior....
We do not have home charging, so its SuperCharging all the time when we need to use the Tesla,
Yeah... that's a problem; What's the barrier to getting charging where you park at night? Anything is better than nothing...