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Respected TMC Tesla Genius makes the news/says FSD is a SCAM
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TresLA
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You’re obviously not biased, completely neutral, fair, and balanced! /s
SalisburySam
Active Member
This is news? Anyone who has purchased the FSD promise already knows this and at least one of us regrets the expenditure. And to @TresLA‘s point, yeah, pretty biased here.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
No offense but the article does not have a lot of value IMO. It's just an anti-Tesla hit piece. So autoevolution.com apparently found a guy who repairs Teslas and who thinks FSD is trash and wrote a piece sharing his personal opinion. That's not to say that there aren't maybe some valid points. I happen to agree that Tesla is wrong to increase the price of FSD to $15k. And there are hyperbulls on Twitter who think FSD should be raised even further to $25k! LOL. But most of us know that Tesla has failed to deliver on the promise of full autonomy. So an article just telling us how terrible Tesla is because FSD is not full autonomy, is not telling us anything new.
Tam
Well-Known Member
I think the article is informative in explaining the recent inappropriate FSD price increase.
It doesn't explain anything. It's just saying it happened, and then getting a juicy soundbite and appealing to authority by quoting a respected Tesla hacker saying what you don't need to be a Tesla hacker to say. Then adding that if it were better it'd be dangerous anyway because it'd make people complacent, because it has made people complacent. (Never mind the huge distracted driving problem that is a complacency problem.)
Tam
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It's about money. If Tesla didn't increase the price to $15,000, I doubt there would be a timely piece on the "cash grab."
$15,000 didn't happen before. It happens now, so that is news.
It's similar to when Elon never said he's a free speech absolutist before, but once he said it, there are hit pieces released to prove the opposite.
Many owners jumped on the bandwagon and rejoiced when Tesla announced it would delete radar.
They believe Tesla has good taste in how to choose the correct hardware for the job, but the article says:
“nothing Tesla's produced to-date is capable of, no matter how much software they release, being a driverless robotaxi. The hardware is simply not capable of that level of safety.”
Tam
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A different approach to the $15,000 FSD news:
How XPeng’s city navigation will stack up against Tesla’s FSD | TechCrunch
XPeng's City NGP, which is launching in Guangzhou, can do automatic lane changes, react to traffic lights, navigate traffic lights and more.
techcrunch.com
Xpeng has just rolled out Xpilot 3.5 to its owners. It's intended to be an L2 door-to-door system. Some trims include that as standard without extra charge, while others would charge an extra $6,420 (RMB 45,000).
That could explain the 50% FSD price discount in China:
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Tesla is offering half off its Full Self-Driving package and more for loyal customers in China
Interested customers can get free Supercharging credits.
www.theverge.com
It's about money. If Tesla didn't increase the price to $15,000, I doubt there would be a timely piece on the "cash grab."
$15,000 didn't happen before. It happens now, so that is news.
It's similar to when Elon never said he's a free speech absolutist before, but once he said it, there are hit pieces released to prove the opposite.
They've raised the price multiple times, working the FOMO hard to try to make up for the tanking take rates.
Nothing new.
But that's something plenty of people have said. Again, not news. You can do the math on range v speed.
The article could have been one line: "Jason Hughes agrees with what a bunch of people have been saying for years."
clydeiii
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