gizmoboy
Member
Update: AP 1 features look to be available for these new cars in December 2016... (From the configurator)
That's what I'd be most annoyed by personally.
That's what I'd be most annoyed by personally.
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2virgule5
Member
Yeah, pissed. Missed AP 1.0 by 3 months. Got a refresh S in July, and an X 3 weeks ago. So yeah, mad.
HumanGenome
Member
You'll be able to "ugprade after delivery" via Tesla shop at least for vehicles as of today according to the design studio which basically confirms some level of retrofit being an option.
Curious how far back they will be retrofittable. My bet is for all facelifts to have a retrofit option. Hopefully it's slightly discounted considering the cost of the already purchased AP 1.0.
Curious how far back they will be retrofittable. My bet is for all facelifts to have a retrofit option. Hopefully it's slightly discounted considering the cost of the already purchased AP 1.0.
Yes, tha
Yes, that's true.. but that is not the point. The value of our cars just dropped significantly. Your possibility to trade in our sell just got a whole lot worse.
Yes, that's true.. but that is not the point. The value of our cars just dropped significantly. Your possibility to trade in our sell just got a whole lot worse.
Missed by 3 weeks.. had 25 conversations with different Tesla people about 2.0
BUT I did see it coming and 60d being eliminated has eased the pain a little
BUT I did see it coming and 60d being eliminated has eased the pain a little
Model S M.D.
Ludicrous Radiologist
“Upgrading Hardware 1 cars just isn’t practical. It would be like doing a spinal cord transplant.” It’ll be sometime in the middle of next year that Hardware 2 cars will start overtaking Hardware 1. Meanwhile, even though the physical hardware will be included as standard, the functionality will be a paid upgrade.
For the full self-driving hardware suite, it’ll cost $8,000 Musk says. That’s compared to $3,000 for the current Autopilot system."
It's not like this was a surprise to anyone, we all knew it was coming at some point.
No point getting pissed about it or demanding compensation.
All companies in all industries do this the world over - standard operating procedure.
Expecting it to be anything else only happens in Disney movies with princesses and ice - usually
Let it go!
Let it go!
No point getting pissed about it or demanding compensation.
All companies in all industries do this the world over - standard operating procedure.
Expecting it to be anything else only happens in Disney movies with princesses and ice - usually
Let it go!
Let it go!
I seriously doubt you are right. All new cars are "upgradable" to use cameras that will be already there or wired for all those cameras.
It probably has dropped if you were trying to sell tomorrow... Due to marketing basically. However the fact is AP 2.0 wont' be that much different from AP 1 given the descriptions. The improvements are incremental. Full auto driving is not coming for a while, by which time the car will have significantly depreciated anyways.
Given incremental improvements, I don't see it really having such a huge impact on resale. I think current talks are theoretical, we will have to see how the two systems actually differ say in 6 months before an accurate conclusion can be made. Current descriptions don't appear to indicate a significant improvement in the foreseeable future.
HumanGenome
Member
You think from the last week of September to the second week of October they completely changed the body of the Model S and X to support the wiring structure, camera mounts, etc for AP 2.0 hardware? They've had this planned for a long time, the facelift can't possibly be hugely different than it was 3 weeks ago.
I still have paper plates on my P90DL, but I bought it to drive it. Autopilot is neat, but I barely use my 1.0 AP and I'm not sure I'd use the newer system either.
Only downer for me is the clear loss of resale value for the pre AP2.0 cars. At least with model year changes you can predict months ahead of time if you're about to get bitten by a model refresh. With Tesla there's much less warning.
Only downer for me is the clear loss of resale value for the pre AP2.0 cars. At least with model year changes you can predict months ahead of time if you're about to get bitten by a model refresh. With Tesla there's much less warning.
I don't feel too bad. I have a Model 3 on reservation and took delivery of my Model S 60D about a month ago.
To be honest "Enhanced Autopilot" doesn't sound a whole ton better than what I have right now. For $2500 more than I paid for Autopilot 1.0, I am not sure I would pay for the improvements.
To be honest "Enhanced Autopilot" doesn't sound a whole ton better than what I have right now. For $2500 more than I paid for Autopilot 1.0, I am not sure I would pay for the improvements.
Yes
They shut down the entire factory for a week oct 1-oct7. Seems like a perfect time to do just that
I don't care about any of the AP2 hardware or features. What I'm pissed about is the processor upgrade. This means that, very shortly, there will no longer be any firmware upgrades for cars with the old processor. Tesla will not dedicate the resources to make updates, and very shortly the development process will only be able to support the faster processor. Developers use all the processor capacity available to them to do the "cool" stuff, and it won't run on the old processor. Soon, things like voice recognition, nav, etc will only progress on cars with the new processor.
The 40x processor is just for AP, not for the CID. They haven't said anything about upgrading the CPU in the CID.
Model S M.D.
Ludicrous Radiologist
Still have paper plates on my P100DL! Agree with you, the car is so fun to drive I prefer to drive it and only use AP in boring situations (highway and bumper to bumper traffic) where AP 1.0 shines!
fallen888
Participant
I took delivery last month and I'm not mad at all. I'll be ready for the well-refined 2.0+ hardware in 4 - 5 years. But will continue to enjoy my current, wonderful EV for now.
If you didn't see this coming with the absolute inventory liquidation that happened last quarter, well, you're stupid. And I mean that in the nicest way. The people who really got ****ed purchased in Q1 and Q2 without the $10k discounts that happened a few months later.
As for AP2.0 I have trouble believing they're as close to complete autonomy as advertised. AP1.0 needs babysitting outside of perfect conditions I just don't see a couple more cameras and a new processor eliminating the need for a driver. This will be an evolutionary step, not a revolutionary step.
As for AP2.0 I have trouble believing they're as close to complete autonomy as advertised. AP1.0 needs babysitting outside of perfect conditions I just don't see a couple more cameras and a new processor eliminating the need for a driver. This will be an evolutionary step, not a revolutionary step.
I'm gonna copy paste my answer from the other thread.
I've ordered my P90DL on April, received it at end of June. 10 days later, had a small accident. It stayed 3 months in the approved body shop, mostly waiting for parts from Tesla because of Tesla's shitty communication and logistics. I got my car now, and they've done a shitty job, it is going back tomorrow again. I also had some issues spotted on delivery, and of course, they are also not fixed.
Now, ask me.
I'm really pissed. I've ordered my car about 7 months ago, only driven 300 miles. It is already outdated twice. Depreciation is huge.
I think I'm done with Tesla. They are just trying to keep stock value high by making people talk about them. By rolling changes every 3 months, they just make existing customers angry.
I've ordered my P90DL on April, received it at end of June. 10 days later, had a small accident. It stayed 3 months in the approved body shop, mostly waiting for parts from Tesla because of Tesla's shitty communication and logistics. I got my car now, and they've done a shitty job, it is going back tomorrow again. I also had some issues spotted on delivery, and of course, they are also not fixed.
Now, ask me.
I'm really pissed. I've ordered my car about 7 months ago, only driven 300 miles. It is already outdated twice. Depreciation is huge.
I think I'm done with Tesla. They are just trying to keep stock value high by making people talk about them. By rolling changes every 3 months, they just make existing customers angry.
