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I love everything about my Tesla except this one minor thing...
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Electric700
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mikeash
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It doesn't seem to be. Connect the car to a fast WiFi network, and the browser is still super slow. I believe it's just that the CPU and GPU in the center screen are pretty outdated.
I personally don't care that much, because it's not a feature I use very much. But even so, it would be nice to have it improved.
HankLloydRight
No Roads
Firefox is just as, if not more, bloated than Firefox. Firefox is a memory hog (Chrome isn't much better). The point is, they're both bad choices.
When they're talking about using Chrome, it would be something like the scaled down mobile versions of Chrome (iOS/Android).. not the desktop versions.
Skotty
2014 S P85 | 2023 F-150L
Are there any other cars that have web browsers? I've never seen one. Would be nice if they get it working well, but it's not like other cars are better.
Ew, if I had a nickle for every time that gets posted..well,..
Insult to injury it often says that 'This version of Safari is no longer supported'. WTF.
Now, I have a 10 year old smartphone that I now just use to browse the net--doesn't call anybody any more--and it's way faster than even the wifi connections on the T. You would think they would be more sensitive about that but it's lingered so long I wouldn't expect anything before V7 and maybe not even then.
Insult to injury it often says that 'This version of Safari is no longer supported'. WTF.
Now, I have a 10 year old smartphone that I now just use to browse the net--doesn't call anybody any more--and it's way faster than even the wifi connections on the T. You would think they would be more sensitive about that but it's lingered so long I wouldn't expect anything before V7 and maybe not even then.
TaoJones
Beyond Driven
Definitely more hype than functional.
When I first got the car, a friend wanted to use the in-car browser to configure her Model S (was interested in buying). Wasn't so interested after the browser failed completely to navigate/manage the Design Studio. It obviously wasn't so much that the browser failed - it was the unfortunate reality that then the seed was planted for "Well, if that doesn't work, what else doesn't work?" No amount of, "Hey, it was the Car of the Year - multiple times!" will overcome that, I can assure you.
Yeah, I don't even mention the browser anymore. Or onboard nav. Or the trip planner. I find it aesthetically abhorrent to have a vent mount for my iPhone to display Waze while driving, but it is what it is. Which is disappointing.
You would think the Model X would have faster hardware at least, but maybe the now 30% remaining that's the same as the Model S includes the GPU, in which case, oh well.
I would differ with our Australian friends a bit: No browser would be better than a broken browser. Just suppress the icon from the MCU altogether.
Now, into every rainy day a little sunshine can peek through (hey, updates are great as long as you don't mind not knowing when they'll show up). But so what - the browser still sucks.
When I first got the car, a friend wanted to use the in-car browser to configure her Model S (was interested in buying). Wasn't so interested after the browser failed completely to navigate/manage the Design Studio. It obviously wasn't so much that the browser failed - it was the unfortunate reality that then the seed was planted for "Well, if that doesn't work, what else doesn't work?" No amount of, "Hey, it was the Car of the Year - multiple times!" will overcome that, I can assure you.
Yeah, I don't even mention the browser anymore. Or onboard nav. Or the trip planner. I find it aesthetically abhorrent to have a vent mount for my iPhone to display Waze while driving, but it is what it is. Which is disappointing.
You would think the Model X would have faster hardware at least, but maybe the now 30% remaining that's the same as the Model S includes the GPU, in which case, oh well.
I would differ with our Australian friends a bit: No browser would be better than a broken browser. Just suppress the icon from the MCU altogether.
Now, into every rainy day a little sunshine can peek through (hey, updates are great as long as you don't mind not knowing when they'll show up). But so what - the browser still sucks.
They need to fork the latest Webkit branch and include a built-in ad blocker. 90% of data that gets loaded on a commercial webpage is just analytics and ads. This should go a long way in increasing performance and reducing data demands. 3G would be enough to quickly download a couple of images and text content on a typical webpage.
Lex
Member
My first "bug report" was that the browser does not properly scale a check-box.
I later realized the browser was almost completely useless.
IMHO this is a design decision.
As a member indicated on a previous page, you can't even configure a Tesla on it :cursing:
I later realized the browser was almost completely useless.
IMHO this is a design decision.
As a member indicated on a previous page, you can't even configure a Tesla on it :cursing:
I have to +1 the general sentiment that the web browser sucks, and there's really no excuse for it. I've seen ****** android tablets that do a better job on similar hardware. Webkit or no, it's clearly not a current fork of webkit. That being said, the overall UI paradigm is mostly great.
Here's what I would love to see: Apple "continuity" handover tech. The idea being that if you're currently browsing a webpage on your iPhone, an icon shows up on the 17", and you can suddenly get to that exact page with the same text entered via Bluetooth. While handover is currently Apple platform only, maybe this could be implemented using iBeacons (https://developer.apple.com/ibeacon/).
Or if Tesla built an action extension for their iOS app by which you could manually "push" things to the 17", for example a URL from your current webpage, a route from the maps app, etc, that would be pretty great. That would do away with the greatest disadvantage of the 17", namely that it's slow and nowhere near as pleasant to type on as an iPhone (though better than some android devices), and would take advantage of its greatest strength - display size. As long as the browser is standards compliant first of all.
Here's what I would love to see: Apple "continuity" handover tech. The idea being that if you're currently browsing a webpage on your iPhone, an icon shows up on the 17", and you can suddenly get to that exact page with the same text entered via Bluetooth. While handover is currently Apple platform only, maybe this could be implemented using iBeacons (https://developer.apple.com/ibeacon/).
Or if Tesla built an action extension for their iOS app by which you could manually "push" things to the 17", for example a URL from your current webpage, a route from the maps app, etc, that would be pretty great. That would do away with the greatest disadvantage of the 17", namely that it's slow and nowhere near as pleasant to type on as an iPhone (though better than some android devices), and would take advantage of its greatest strength - display size. As long as the browser is standards compliant first of all.
HankLloydRight
No Roads
GaryREM
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+1 This is the point that a lot of people are missing. Providing a screen display for the smartphones does not require a lot of horsepower. The phones increase in capabilities every year. It's not practical to upgrade the car's display and graphics engine. If you want maximum life, move the processing out board to a device which is easy to upgrade...
This is a very god point. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the performance of the current generation of center console would be marginal at best for this application. Airplay uses dedicated hardware decoding which allows it to be *fairly* smooth on limited hardware. The orientation of the 17" screen is perfect for portrait iPhone projection.
On the other hand, moors law is starting plateau a bit...
rxlawdude
Active Member
PLEASE DON'T ENCOURAGE TESLA TO SUPPORT ONLY ONE PROPRIETARY PHONE. There are other platforms that have, in total, more worldwide users than iStuff. Locking into one company's phone will not help sales.
Please lookup the difference between market share, usage share, and profit share.
Just to rile you up because cognitive dissonance why not: I'll bet the kind of person who buys a Tesla tends to also use iOS/OS X. Just a hunch. Even some of the aesthetics are clearly inspired by previous-gen iOS. The whole ethos of the car, really. Hell, Elon Musk uses an iPhone. (on which he read the Steve Jobs Biography) Oh yeah and they've been poaching employees from each other non-stop (more from Apple than from other automakers actually).
But that's not really the point. I merely point out existing technologies that might allow the implementation of a cool feature. If android wants to match these OS features there's nothing stopping them from doing it there too, except that perhaps there are complexities involved in developing them on the Android OS side that I'm unaware of.
Let me express your polemic in the manner in which you do: PLEASE DON'T ENCOURAGE TESLA TO HOLD BACK FEATURES BASED ON THE ABILITIES OF ONE EXPLOIT-RIDDEN OPERATING SYSTEM. SOCIALIST! (jk!)
In reality all of this is possible everywhere. And having this feature on iOS does not preclude other functionality on another OS. I could care less about android support and don't have enough familiarity with their developer ecosystem to suggest synergies, but feel free to contribute constructively on your end.
Doing a quick web check, it looks like the center console on the Model S runs Ubuntu Linux. If I was designing the thing, I would use an industrial board running a modern Intel or AMD processor. There are standardized form factors for these computers intended for embedded systems. I once worked on such a system intended for commercial aircraft that had the computer residing in the electronics bay on the plane and it looked and felt like a standard Windows computer to the user. (Windows is not flight system certified and never can be, but it can be used for non-critical applications on the plane. This was a monitoring system that logged various things on the airplane.) These systems can be upgraded to new hardware by replacing the single board computer with a newer one. This would allow for quick upgrades to new hardware as the technology advances. For disk storage they could have an SSD drive connected in. With the right design, a hardware upgrade could take minutes.
I would not be terribly surprised if that is the way the system is designed, but they may have done something different. I have done a lot of embedded design, both hardware and software/firmware (firmware is software loaded down in the hardware which isn't as easy to change as something which runs off a disk like your personal computer, these days the distinction between them is getting fuzzier every day).
I would not be terribly surprised if that is the way the system is designed, but they may have done something different. I have done a lot of embedded design, both hardware and software/firmware (firmware is software loaded down in the hardware which isn't as easy to change as something which runs off a disk like your personal computer, these days the distinction between them is getting fuzzier every day).
danni
Member
If you keep on googling just a little longer you’ll find that Tesla are using an Nvidia Tegra platform.
Blu Zap
Grinning member
Works great for the Waze app. Great url app, BTW. Otherwise stupid apps like the candle and fireplace. Always a hit with newbie passengers.
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