Daniel in SD
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Not sure I agree with Chuck’s conclusion here. They’ve obviously never gated a release on the success of this turn.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
True, but it does appear that they start testing shortly before new versions are released. (Checking for general functionality/major safety issues?)
And that was only in the first three months of this year.
Totally worth it to save a few bucks on rain sensors, even at the cost of stealing CPU cycles from the FSD computer.On my drive this morning was excitedly daydreaming to see NO NAGS and thinking how far "Deep Eyes" must have come ........and then my "Deep Rain" wipers started dry wiping. Nothing like a jolt back into reality.
Turn off Auto Max. Then you can set the max speed via automatic offset (% or absolute offset from the current speed limit) and manual real time adjustments via steering wheel buttons/scrollwheel. Even on Auto Max, the UI responds to the scrollwheel inputs but does not make it obvious what the changes are to the max speed (if any).
Aren't they being used for reporting ground truth data back to Tesla for training.
stopcrazypp
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Others reported the Luminar units are $1k each and Tesla data gathering vehicles have been captured using 8 of them, so that's only enough for about 250 vehicles.
Edit as a sanity check, Verge which broke the story seems to be claiming each unit cost about $1000.
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Tesla bought over $2 million worth of lidar sensors from Luminar this year
Tesla’s purchase was Luminar’s largest of the quarter.
www.theverge.com
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gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
I found this other news article on the topic which quote some figures from Luminar
Tesla bought over $2 million worth of lidar sensors from Luminar this year
Tesla’s purchase was Luminar’s largest of the quarter.
www.theverge.com
"According to Luminar, individual lidar sensors cost around $1,000, including software. Did Tesla buy 2,100 lidars for its vehicles? "
Let's see what Luminar reports for the second quarter.I found this other news article on the topic which quote some figures from Luminar
Tesla bought over $2 million worth of lidar sensors from Luminar this year
Tesla’s purchase was Luminar’s largest of the quarter.
"According to Luminar, individual lidar sensors cost around $1,000, including software. Did Tesla buy 2,100 lidars for its vehicles? "
stopcrazypp
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Yes, I just linked that in edit, actually the math is correct when using $1k not $10k, I remembered incorrectly. At $1k that is only 250 vehicles if each uses 8 of them.I found this other news article on the topic which quote some figures from Luminar
Tesla bought over $2 million worth of lidar sensors from Luminar this year
Tesla’s purchase was Luminar’s largest of the quarter.
"According to Luminar, individual lidar sensors cost around $1,000, including software. Did Tesla buy 2,100 lidars for its vehicles? "
If you use 8 lidars - do you then ditch Vision completely? You probably need fewer than that if you leverage the existing Vision technology.
Wikipedia says that Waymo's lidars cost $7,500 per vehicle in 2017.
willow_hiller
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My guess is that Tesla was using the LIDAR to validate the Occupancy Network output. The Occupancy Network itself was in theory trained in an unsupervised fashion using only the "pixel-flow" from multiple camera views. But given it was outputting volumetric predictions, the only way its accuracy could be measured would be with a sensor like LIDAR.
That would also fit with Elon's tweet that they're no longer using them for the reason they originally bought them. The Occupancy Network has been completely replaced with V12's end-to-end approach.
That would also fit with Elon's tweet that they're no longer using them for the reason they originally bought them. The Occupancy Network has been completely replaced with V12's end-to-end approach.
Pdubs
Ingesting large quantities of LSD
I didn’t purchase FSD Supervised. I purchased FSD Beta with the understanding the beta tag would be removed when complete and not replaced with another tag.
EVNow
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You know what is so moronic about that comment ...
It appears they are trying to model ideal driver behavior for new training data. I could see arms moving on the steering wheel and different driving behavior.
On the plus they are more closely approaching the stop sign and more quickly creeping for better view. On the down side they all appeared to be instructed to turn right before turning left even when unneeded. I expect that over trained crap to once again adversely influence almost all left turns. FSD - the more things change the more it stays the same.
dhanson865
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No, the cars end users sit in won't have lidar. Not 1, Not 2, not 4, not 8.
No vision won't be ditched, No vision won't be reduced, vision is all there is.
gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
It doesn't matter what they name it, or call it, what you purchased is the same thing: A L2 driver assistance feature. (Unless you bought it early on when they described it as a L4 feature.)
stopcrazypp
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That's for the ground truth vehicles, it uses that many likely because it wants a 360 degree high resolution view.
dhanson865
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Yeah if you want a reminder of what the old school buyers paid for here is your wayback post @run-the-joules (hasn't posted here in a few years)
PianoAl
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Yes, all the time. I think there was quite a discussion about this upthread.
Concerning getting rid of nags completely, I'd be surprised. Nags are a good thing, and stop my mind from wandering.
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