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My Model 3 was delivered in mid-August 2018. While I originally just had Enhanced Autopilot (EAP), I quickly paid the extra $2000 to get FSD as rumors swirled about Tesla charging more in the future. What's my opinion after 5 years of testing and playing with Tesla EAP and FSD? TLDR: It's pretty much still just a gimmick and hardly worth the extra $2K I paid for FSD, much less the $15,000 they charge today.

So a little about my experience so you understand my evaluation. Since receiving the car in August of 2018, I have done everything possible to have the latest firmware, latest features, and test and provide feedback on the latest software and capabilities. I am an engineer by training and education, and have participated in a lot of software Beta Test programs for lots of products, and I take the whole thing fairly seriously because to me it's lots of fun. So I don't feel like I have (or had) unrealistic expectations of what FSD would be able to do, what the testing process would be like, or when the features would become polished and truly usable.

All that said, let's start with what works: Navigate on Autopilot (NoA) and Auto Lane Change. NoA is an L2 ADAS feature that combines TACC and Autosteer to drive the car on limited access highways, and includes features like automatic speed-based lane changes and highway interchange transitions. IIRC, the initial version was released in October of 2018 and, since then I have put thousand of miles on it. Now a part of FSD-beta on highways, while it has improved somewhat, it basically the same functionality as NoA on release five years ago. Phantom braking is noticeably better (happens less frequently but still happens) and the system now has some subtle safety improvements, like cheating to the outside of the lane when passing a truck. But passing behavior is still wonky and can be harrowing, and lane selection for passing and exit/transition ramps is still really bad - maybe even a bit worse than in original NoA now that it doesn't use maps as much. In addition, when it came out in 2018 I felt like NoA was "best-of-breed" for these L2 ADAS highway-driving systems, but I feel like it has now been surpassed by BlueCruise, SuperCruise, Drive Pilot, and the like, many of which offer some level of hands-off and/or eyes-off driving for a truly L3 autonomous driving experience. But NoA is still a very useful feature, IMO, offering reduced workload, fatigue, and stress on long highway trips, especially if you do your own passing with Auto Lane Change instead of the automated speed-based lane changes.

Another thing that works is Summon. Remote control your car into and out of a garage or tight parking space. Only useful in very limited circumstances but it does what it does well when you need it (as long as you still have USS, evidently).

Everything else: AutoPark, Smart Summon, Autosteer on City Streets, and Traffic and Stop Sign Control? Gimmicks. Barely usable and hardly ever useful. Setting AutoPark and Smart Summon aside (because they just plain don't work), Autosteer on City Streets is a massive undertaking and has improved immensely since "beta" testing began almost three years ago now. But to engage it, you have to be ready to be extremely alert and ever vigilant - hardly a relaxing way to drive. And while it can get you from point A to point B - even sometimes without intervention (which has never happened to me) - it is most often still a harrowing experience to use it. As an ADAS feature, it has zero utility, IMO. Fun to show off to your friends, and fun to test the latest and greatest to see what it can do. But from a practical standpoint, it can't get me anywhere I need to go faster, more efficiently, more relaxing, or, regardless of how many people quote statistics to try and prove otherwise, safer than I can get there by driving myself.

And now looking back 5 years and thinking where we've been and how far we've come, it's actually quite sad to me that this is all we got. I don't know how much more appetite for "testing" FSD beta I have, and often think I would be much better off or newer firmware just driving myself or on plain, old AutoPilot (I, personally, would still have my NoA in my EAP). But if there's anybody out there thinking whether they want to invest $15,000 in Tesla's autonomous driving systems, just take a tip from me and go into it with (very) low expectations of what you will be getting.
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My Model 3 was delivered in mid-August 2018. While I originally just had Enhanced Autopilot (EAP), I quickly paid the extra $2000 to get FSD as rumors swirled about Tesla charging more in the future. What's my opinion after 5 years of testing and playing with Tesla EAP and FSD? TLDR: It's pretty much still just a gimmick and hardly worth the extra $2K I paid for FSD, much less the $15,000 they charge today.

So a little about my experience so you understand my evaluation. Since receiving the car in August of 2018, I have done everything possible to have the latest firmware, latest features, and test and provide feedback on the latest software and capabilities. I am an engineer by training and education, and have participated in a lot of software Beta Test programs for lots of products, and I take the whole thing fairly seriously because to me it's lots of fun. So I don't feel like I have (or had) unrealistic expectations of what FSD would be able to do, what the testing process would be like, or when the features would become polished and truly usable.

All that said, let's start with what works: Navigate on Autopilot (NoA) and Auto Lane Change. NoA is an L2 ADAS feature that combines TACC and Autosteer to drive the car on limited access highways, and includes features like automatic speed-based lane changes and highway interchange transitions. IIRC, the initial version was released in October of 2018 and, since then I have put thousand of miles on it. Now a part of FSD-beta on highways, while it has improved somewhat, it basically the same functionality as NoA on release five years ago. Phantom braking is noticeably better (happens less frequently but still happens) and the system now has some subtle safety improvements, like cheating to the outside of the lane when passing a truck. But passing behavior is still wonky and can be harrowing, and lane selection for passing and exit/transition ramps is still really bad - maybe even a bit worse than in original NoA now that it doesn't use maps as much. In addition, when it came out in 2018 I felt like NoA was "best-of-breed" for these L2 ADAS highway-driving systems, but I feel like it has now been surpassed by BlueCruise, SuperCruise, Drive Pilot, and the like, many of which offer some level of hands-off and/or eyes-off driving for a truly L3 autonomous driving experience. But NoA is still a very useful feature, IMO, offering reduced workload, fatigue, and stress on long highway trips, especially if you do your own passing with Auto Lane Change instead of the automated speed-based lane changes.

Another thing that works is Summon. Remote control your car into and out of a garage or tight parking space. Only useful in very limited circumstances but it does what it does well when you need it (as long as you still have USS, evidently).

Everything else: AutoPark, Smart Summon, Autosteer on City Streets, and Traffic and Stop Sign Control? Gimmicks. Barely usable and hardly ever useful. Setting AutoPark and Smart Summon aside (because they just plain don't work), Autosteer on City Streets is a massive undertaking and has improved immensely since "beta" testing began almost three years ago now. But to engage it, you have to be ready to be extremely alert and ever vigilant - hardly a relaxing way to drive. And while it can get you from point A to point B - even sometimes without intervention (which has never happened to me) - it is most often still a harrowing experience to use it. As an ADAS feature, it has zero utility, IMO. Fun to show off to your friends, and fun to test the latest and greatest to see what it can do. But from a practical standpoint, it can't get me anywhere I need to go faster, more efficiently, more relaxing, or, regardless of how many people quote statistics to try and prove otherwise, safer than I can get there by driving myself.

And now looking back 5 years and thinking where we've been and how far we've come, it's actually quite sad to me that this is all we got. I don't know how much more appetite for "testing" FSD beta I have, and often think I would be much better off or newer firmware just driving myself or on plain, old AutoPilot (I, personally, would still have my NoA in my EAP). But if there's anybody out there thinking whether they want to invest $15,000 in Tesla's autonomous driving systems, just take a tip from me and go into it with (very) low expectations of what you will be getting. View attachment 972974
But yet in that infamous Nov, 2016 video promoting FSD the car drives a route without the driver ever touching the steering wheel and at the end of the video driver gets out of car the car proceeds to park itself on a public street. This was done with HW2.0 and MCU 1.That final video is not edited. Here we are 7 years later and can't even Auto park?
There seems to be two different videos circulating around this is the official Tesla video.
 
But yet in that infamous Nov, 2016 video promoting FSD the car drives a route without the driver ever touching the steering wheel and at the end of the video driver gets out of car the car proceeds to park itself on a public street. This was done with HW2.0 and MCU 1.That final video is not edited. Here we are 7 years later and can't even Auto park?
There seems to be two different videos circulating around this is the official Tesla video.
Yep, I am convinced tesla is stuck in some sisyphean limbo on this. One could be forgiven for seeing that video and assuming that in seven years we'd be pretty close or finished with self driving, and yet here we are. Talk about version this vs version that is getting stuck in the weeds. There remains no reason whatsoever to think any of the technology on any current tesla will ever support the basic promise of FSD. I do not ever expect to see FSD on my 2023 model 3.
 
Yep, I am convinced tesla is stuck in some sisyphean limbo on this. One could be forgiven for seeing that video and assuming that in seven years we'd be pretty close or finished with self driving, and yet here we are. Talk about version this vs version that is getting stuck in the weeds. There remains no reason whatsoever to think any of the technology on any current tesla will ever support the basic promise of FSD. I do not ever expect to see FSD on my 2023 model 3.
Wait till we get version 12. Then it will be the same scenario with new talking points.
 
I hope not, but that would be pretty hilarious. What would that be, round six? 😂

Well, first well hear about how it is a “quantum leap” over version 11, and then we’ll hear about the problems, then the complainers will be chastised for being “Tesla shorts”, finally we’ll hear about version 13 coming in a couple weeks, it’s a complete rewrite, and our cars will be fully self driving by the end of the year.

:D

Repeat annually or as required.
 
Well, first well hear about how it is a “quantum leap” over version 11, and then we’ll hear about the problems, then the complainers will be chastised for being “Tesla shorts”, finally we’ll hear about version 13 coming in a couple weeks, it’s a complete rewrite, and our cars will be fully self driving by the end of the year.

:D

Repeat annually or as required.
Tee the future "Should I buy a car with HW 4 or wait until 4.5 comes out?", thinking that it will make any damn difference at all to FSD in these cars.
 
Until one of the software updates reduced the vision capabilities, my YLR saw traffic lights correctly and behaved accordingly. Now as you can see, it frequently does not see traffic signals at all and consequently would sail right through red lights if allowed.

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That’s bad… hopefully, we’re not back to the car stopping at a red light and then proceeding through a RED light intersection again.
 
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Until one of the software updates reduced the vision capabilities, my YLR saw traffic lights correctly and behaved accordingly. Now as you can see, it frequently does not see traffic signals at all and consequently would sail right through red lights if allowed.

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Ten fingers, 11 holes, each time they put a finger to plug one hole it opens up another.

I know AP may not be running on the same code, but their recent recall that was pushed to all of us has made our AP so bad we don't use it much anymore. Absolutely, and unequivocally the camera system is inferior--reliably, consistently inferior to the radar system I've had on a volvo and toyota to understand what is in front of us. Two days ago while stopped in traffic a motorbike miraculously appeared in my blindspot, before a moment later melting into the car that was in the blindspot. No people were there. No bikes. No motorbikes.

Tesla is simply not solving this problem and, IMO, has no idea how to. Another analogy is an alchemist who keeps approximating gold but can't get there.

lol I just came upon this from 11 months ago: I’m calling it: FSD is solved
 
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That article cited above is priceless - pricelessly wrong. I tried out FSD 11.x as recently as last December on local roads, and it was just horrible. Should have been called Fully Terrifying Driving. Felt like I was turning my 2023 MYLR with HW4 over to a new teen driver with bad eyesight and even worse judgement. No, thanks. I'll use EAP on limited access highways and TACC elsewhere, but FSD is out the window for me, at least until the much anticipated V12 release. I'll probably give it another try sometime after that release shows up.
 
That article cited above is priceless - pricelessly wrong. I tried out FSD 11.x as recently as last December on local roads, and it was just horrible. Should have been called Fully Terrifying Driving. Felt like I was turning my 2023 MYLR with HW4 over to a new teen driver with bad eyesight and even worse judgement. No, thanks. I'll use EAP on limited access highways and TACC elsewhere, but FSD is out the window for me, at least until the much anticipated V12 release. I'll probably give it another try sometime after that release shows up.
Yup, 100% junk. Hat don’t expect for $12,000?! 🤣