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I really don't know where you guys see any quality and luxury with BMW's cars.
BMW is considered luxury?? Wow that's news to me. Every BMW I've been in wasn't anything special and definitely nothing near a MS and everyone I personally know that owns one or had owned one has said their's was a POS and they'll never buy another one again.
It really depends on what BMWs you are in... Just like if you show someone your "base" Tesla with textile seats and say it's a luxury vehicle you might get looked at funny by your friends - especially when you tell them you spent $75k on it.BMW is considered luxury?? Wow that's news to me. Every BMW I've been in wasn't anything special and definitely nothing near a MS and everyone I personally know that owns one or had owned one has said their's was a POS and they'll never buy another one again.
Okay. In reverse now: There are several things BMW does right. Interior is as luxurious as it gets (too bad most people don't live in their cars and therefore like to save that kind of luxury for their living quarters, or that many people really do like a minimalist approach), however they could improve overall fuel economy, significantly reduce maintenance costs by getting rid of thousands of parts, actually build a real EV and not just talk about it...
Disagree. Everyone can use and enjoy experiencing rapid acceleration on the roads they drive on every day. Very few owners make the effort to take their Model S onto a racetrack to experience driving it at well over street legal speeds for extended periods.
That is why 0-60 times mean something to the typical buyer, and they don't care about whether or not a Model S can do a lap on the Ring flat out (and most people have no idea what we are referring to when we use the word "Ring" in this context).
Tesla dosn't have the best interiors, but neither does BMW. To me BMW's interiors are one step above GM's(a small step at that). I really don't know where you guys see any quality and luxury with BMW's cars.
I'm not buying that. I think a lot of Model Ss are bought as image cars, too - is just a slightly different image. This is the car to buy to say "I've arrived, and I care about the environment/future." I suspect most forum members are buying the car for other (better?) reasons, but they aren't the only ones bugging the car by any means.WalterI tend to agree. I think people forget that the high-end euro brands are also "image" cars - though no owner would ever admit it. I'm going to speculate that a huge majority of those owners will see image as a big advantage - if not a major motivator. Tesla on the other hand, I would suggest is almost never bought for image purposes but only for 2 reasons: because it's massively superior in all the important ways, and because it's an EV with all the energy related attributes thereof. In any case, ALL gasoline cars are, to me, extremely boring now that Tesla exists...
Agreed... although they do have a "real EV" now with the i3 (unless you don't count it because it's ugly LOL).
Frankly, I wished that BMW and Tesla would collaborate - take some of the best of BMW (interiors, carbon fiber) and combine with the best of Tesla (platform, tech, battery) and make a proper car.
Keep wishing. Just because there's been a media fiasco about BMW and Tesla partnering, doesn't mean it won't happen. There was just as much speculation, angst, doubt etc... about Panasonic partnering with Tesla in the Gigafactory and that turned out just fine. Heck there was a Gigafactory media fiasco about whether it would even get off the ground because it took a bit longer than expected for Tesla to finalize a state deal. Etc., etc., etc... So, don't believe what's been reported from BMW spokespeople until nothing has happened down the road the bit.
^^ This. Lots of posturing going on.
Actually, I don't see that the article reports that BMW calls it a Tesla killer. That's Car and Driver talking, and you know how fixated on BMW they are.And BMW had the audacity complain that Tesla was just using them for publicity. Seems like they're throwing Tesla's name about for the headlines when they've got .... nothing.
Bring it!!!! Elon has something in the works.