RogerHScott
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In other words, indefinitely.I am delaying my Model S on order until AP 2.0.
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In other words, indefinitely.I am delaying my Model S on order until AP 2.0.
Well, there's the whole hauling around 25% extra battery weight thingYou still put in the same amount of energy with no downside.
Well, there are always going to be people for whom the 60 price is right at the top of what they can afford, soWould anyone here endorse buying S60 (not D)?
With the refresh front-end, I am pretty sure all frunks are the same size now, even with or without the bidodefense HEPA filter option. I'm sure it was to streamline production and part supply to have common parts.Remember also that the non-Ds have a bigger frunk.
The price of the 75D is exactly the same as it was yesterday -- 79,500.
Remember also that the non-Ds have a bigger frunk.
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The price of the 75D is exactly the same as it was yesterday -- 79,500.
With the refresh front-end, I am pretty sure all frunks are the same size now, even with or without the bidodefense HEPA filter option. I'm sure it was to streamline production and part supply to have common parts.
I'll try to explain (hopefully this does not get removed for snippiness)Citation?
Tesla Model S & X platform have so many variants (especially Model S) that it's almost, but not quite, that each car is either unique or only has a handful of peers, as peered through the lenses of regional variety. Of course, if you do a factory insider list of all exactly the same models, I'm sure there's more correlations, but I'm just saying from a second-hand used market perspective, it will be hard to micro-specify exactly what you want and come up with a large list of identical cars; used Tesla buyers will have to search with search engines that allow "kind of like this" searches, rather than ultra-specific searches.Does this make the refreshed 70s (that have the option to upgrade to 75) more unique and perhaps more valuable? Thoughts?
With the refresh front-end, I am pretty sure all frunks are the same size now, even with or without the bidodefense HEPA filter option. I'm sure it was to streamline production and part supply to have common parts.
Well, there's the whole hauling around 25% extra battery weight thing
Not snippy (at least, IMO), but not terribly convincing, either. I think you may be oversimplifying Tesla's motives here.I'll try to explain (hopefully this does not get removed for snippiness)
Model S: The citation is: this announcement. No company launches a lower margin product (previously offered at a higher price) , when demand is strong enough to support current higher margin products.
Model X: The order book has been reduced/cancelled due to buyers waiting to see if problems can be fixed. So the Chinese now get theirs ahead of schedule.
Smart:
WTF?:
- Lower entry - I admit I only test drove/bought when the 70 came to market and got me thinking - then chose the 85D
- Convert 3 placeholders to owners - surprised there is no specific buyback option presented to placeholders
- CPO gold: as mentioned by others, Tesla can take your 60 in trade and sell it as a 75 Autopilot(with lightly used battery) at no new cost to them
- I can't get over the feeling that this is Tesla ransomware. What's the cost to Tesla of releasing the full capacity? Close to nothing, right? Maybe the battery retains a little more capacity for resale. I guess "market value" will be the justification for the $8500 ransom. Leaves a bad taste.
However, whatever it seems, I don't think it is wasteful:Not really, you guys have the same battery as the new 60 even. Just different 70D badging on back for now until you upgrade ;-). Both have a 75kWh battery.
Overall this including larger batteries than sold seems a little wasteful - definitely a unique practice.
I can't get over the feeling that this is Tesla ransomware. What's the cost to Tesla of releasing the full capacity? Close to nothing, right? Maybe the battery retains a little more capacity for resale. I guess "market value" will be the justification for the $8500 ransom. Leaves a bad taste.
When you download a free app with restricted functionality do you think of it as "ransom" when you have to pay to unlock theI can't get over the feeling that this is Tesla ransomware. What's the cost to Tesla of releasing the full capacity? Close to nothing, right? Maybe the battery retains a little more capacity for resale. I guess "market value" will be the justification for the $8500 ransom. Leaves a bad taste.
As hinted at in an above comment, longer than it will take Tesla to totally shut down that car, turning it into an expensive, though lovely, lawn ornament.It will be interesting to see how long it takes some hacker to find the key to "unlocking" the range.
I agree that it is smart...on balance, but to me the consideration of value is critical. I expect a more expensive product to have more content, not just be more capable.This is actually smart on Tesla's part. Some added revenue down the line, could support resale values, gives the customer a later option of more range. It will be interesting to see how long it takes some hacker to find the key to "unlocking" the range.