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But isnt the software is already there?
It’s true....but only if you are driving in his tunnelBut isnt the software is already there? Elon said by end of 2019, NYC to LA with ZERO human input/intervention. No? So in 2022, its certainly already there, no?
the one that has the traffic jams that it was designed to eliminate?It’s true....but only if you are driving in his tunnel
the one that has the traffic jams that it was designed to eliminate?
At this point? Tesla would be better off if Elon simply turned to reigns over to a (non egotistical, grounded in reality) actual developer/engineer. Like a real one.
Can you provide some data demonstrating phantom braking is increasing overall....
This thread is what happens when you...
I think the term everyone is looking for is "vaporware."
But it isn’t what you said….And I'll keep saying the tech doesn't work as advertised. It would otherwise be available.
At any one time there are many versions of Mr Musk’s FSD out there. There is the one you get when you pay the 10k, there’s the one that the Beta testers get, there’s even one that Tesla employees get. So who is to say that there is not another one at Tesla’s development and testing center that is already L5?
That depends on how stupid a person is to pay that much money to be part of software testing vs a finished product.Getting back on topic. My biggest gripe is that the pricing keeps going up to the point where it is now more than 25% of the price of an M3 SR+. Maybe $12k is not that big of a deal on a $100k vehicle but it seems excessive on the $45k average price of a new vehicle, especially since it is not L5. Where does it go from here? Are we really supposed to pay $15k, $20k, $25k, or more in the future?
Only if you want the product offered at the price charged. That's the beauty of the free market system. You can pay what Tesla charges, buy a competing car that does something similar, or do without.Are we really supposed to pay $15k, $20k, $25k, or more in the future?
Yeah, I couldn't bring myself to buy it in 2019 when it was $5k. I don't typically own my cars more than 3-5 years and didn't that realistically happening with this car. At first I thought with all the hype I may be missing out at some point but then I learned more about Tesla and how Elon vision works.That depends on how stupid a person is to pay that much money to be part of software testing vs a finished product.
There is an old saying "a fool and his money are soon parted"
Exactly, I will get a Toyota Corolla and hire a driver.Only if you want the product offered at the price charged. That's the beauty of the free market system. You can pay what Tesla charges, Buy a competing car that does something similar, or do without.
Or, you could hire a chauffeur. Old school FSD.
Getting back on topic. My biggest gripe is that the pricing keeps going up to the point where it is now more than 25% of the price of an M3 SR+. Maybe $12k is not that big of a deal on a $100k vehicle but it seems excessive on the $45k average price of a new vehicle, especially since it is not L5. Where does it go from here? Are we really supposed to pay $15k, $20k, $25k, or more in the future?
I agree that it’s literally a scam. You can pay $200 per month for the subscription and be better off. You can cancel it at any time, Schick you definitely will when you see that it drives far worse than you would drive.I paid $6K for FSD, I wouldn't do it again knowing what I know now. The idea of paying $12K for something that doesn't work and might never work is crazy. I bet their uptake on FSD is going to drop to near zero after this price increase. Does anyone feel that FSD is worth $12K, now or if even if they achieve Level 4 (note that Elon said Level 4 on is annual by the end of next year it will work tweet, in the past he always said Level 5 so he's losing confidence).
I agree that it’s literally a scam. .
The sooner you buy the sooner your price per ride can start going downGetting back on topic. My biggest gripe is that the pricing keeps going up to the point where it is now more than 25% of the price of an M3 SR+. Maybe $12k is not that big of a deal on a $100k vehicle but it seems excessive on the $45k average price of a new vehicle, especially since it is not L5. Where does it go from here? Are we really supposed to pay $15k, $20k, $25k, or more in the future?