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It's really hard to design polls. This one is missing "No... based on existing track record, I'd rather have a VIN > 10,000..."
I have never for a minute regretted my low VIN, classic 2012 P85. It has a bunch of stuff they don't offer any more: some trim items, the pedals, brown, lacewood. I have not had significant fit/finish or quality issues. One weld mark that shows if you look from right angle in right lighting. I could have waited another year or 18 months, but then I would have missed out on a year or 18 months of driving enjoyment. Plus, there were a number of price increases I managed to miss.
I leased my eGolf with every intention of getting Model 3 to replace it in 2018. If 3 ships earlier, I'll find some way to use the extra car.
That's about how I feel. I'm going to want my car to have the necessary hardware to allow full L4 Autonomous. I'm OK if the software isn't immediately ready, but I want to know that the full self-driving will be forthcoming to my car via software update.I'll probably reserve one but if it doesn't have the full autonomous sensor suit I'll wait...
Oh, good point, but assume I could defer and wait a bit. Just want the whole fam on EV if poss.It's really hard to design polls. This one is missing "No... based on existing track record, I'd rather have a VIN > 10,000..."
How will you know? The first time they manage to deliver something as promised, when they promised it for?If the company gets its act together yes.
Buzzkill.How will you know? The first time they manage to deliver something as promised, when they promised it for?
All of Elon's statements of "no risks" for the Model 3 are just talk. Just like all the other "talk" he does. About folding second row seats. About the end of range anxiety. About SDKs and Chrome browser and 692hp and more or less anything else he talks about.
So I will believe that they got their act together if they a) unveil the Model 3 in two months, b) announce production for 2017 as he keeps promising, and then actually deliver a meaningful number of cars in 2017 and pass the "these are production cars" test - and not the current "this is early experimentation, we are trying to figure out how to make them" stuff that they are selling to Signature reservation holders.
So yes, if they ship 10k Model 3 in 2017 and 100k Model 3 in 2018, yes, then I'll reconsider reserving whatever their next car will be. Until then, I consider anything that Elon promises (and by extension, Tesla announces) as empty marketing BS with no actual reality behind it.
Oh, lest I forget the standard disclaimer. I love my car, best car on earth. I believe in the vision of Tesla. Yada, yada, yada. I guess I'm tired of all the broken promises and blatant lies.
Or as I put it in another thread:
The Tesla Model S P85D. 85kWh battery(1), 691hp(2), with hands free on-ramp to off-ramp driving(3) and a navigation system that ends range anxiety(4)!
(1) of which 77kWh are usable
(2) of which up to 463hp are usable at any time
(3) as long as your hands are on the steering wheel at all times
(4) because it annoys you so much with idiotic routing, outdated maps and missing features that you forget to worry about range
to which ScepticMatt added
(5) Purchase price after "gas savings" using $3.3 per gallon and a 20 MPG car.
Sorry about the rant... I guess if I didn't care about all this so much, it wouldn't make me so angry...
It's really hard to design polls. This one is missing "No... based on existing track record, I'd rather have a VIN > 10,000..."
How will you know? The first time they manage to deliver something as promised, when they promised it for?
All of Elon's statements of "no risks" for the Model 3 are just talk. Just like all the other "talk" he does. About folding second row seats. About the end of range anxiety. About SDKs and Chrome browser and 692hp and more or less anything else he talks about.
So I will believe that they got their act together if they a) unveil the Model 3 in two months, b) announce production for 2017 as he keeps promising, and then actually deliver a meaningful number of cars in 2017 and pass the "these are production cars" test - and not the current "this is early experimentation, we are trying to figure out how to make them" stuff that they are selling to Signature reservation holders.
So yes, if they ship 10k Model 3 in 2017 and 100k Model 3 in 2018, yes, then I'll reconsider reserving whatever their next car will be. Until then, I consider anything that Elon promises (and by extension, Tesla announces) as empty marketing BS with no actual reality behind it.
Oh, lest I forget the standard disclaimer. I love my car, best car on earth. I believe in the vision of Tesla. Yada, yada, yada. I guess I'm tired of all the broken promises and blatant lies.
Or as I put it in another thread:
The Tesla Model S P85D. 85kWh battery(1), 691hp(2), with hands free on-ramp to off-ramp driving(3) and a navigation system that ends range anxiety(4)!
(1) of which 77kWh are usable
(2) of which up to 463hp are usable at any time
(3) as long as your hands are on the steering wheel at all times
(4) because it annoys you so much with idiotic routing, outdated maps and missing features that you forget to worry about range
to which ScepticMatt added
(5) Purchase price after "gas savings" using $3.3 per gallon and a 20 MPG car.
Sorry about the rant... I guess if I didn't care about all this so much, it wouldn't make me so angry...