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It would be a pretty big stretch to call a PCS failure a safety issue.5 day old 2023 Model 3 with 91 miles on the odometer. Totally dead and undriveable, diagnosed as PCS failure, now awaiting repair.
Lemon law in CA 2x attempts to repair a “dangerous” issue, or 4x for other issues. Not sure if this constitutes a dangerous issue or not. And given that the car has no USS and no timeline for regaining the functionality of my 2019, I’m not sure if I’m rooting for Lemon law or not.
Yeah, unless it was causing a 12v system failure and the car was trying to shut down on the highway. Not sure if that's a failure mode. My HV and 12v systems both shut down while the car was sitting there charging.It would be a pretty big stretch to call a PCS failure a safety issue.
I know that many forum members in this thread have been waiting to hear the outcome of my arbitration dispute with Tesla over our PCS breakdowns. I tried posting about that decision, but a moderator removed it for lack of more information, so… I will try again here.
I can report that yesterday I finally received notification that the arbitrator decided for Tesla —not for me. More specifically, the arbitrator agreed with Tesla that the components in the High Voltage Battery Service Panel are separate from the High Voltage Battery and Drive Unit powertrain, and thus not covered under the latter's warranty.
If forum members would care to read my reaction to the arbitrator's decision, they are welcome to open this post on my website.
I read your article--good summary. But you do have this problem:If forum members would care to read my reaction to the arbitrator's decision, they are welcome to open this post on my website.
Fine. I've edited that nit to include both.I read your article--good summary. But you do have this problem:
"The assertion that EVs have lower maintenance costs is lamentably not true with a Tesla."
You are swapping repair versus maintenance.
Done!I think you are right, and a lot of people are likely interested in this. If you want to start another thread with the title of something like "Arbitrator rules that PCS is not part of HV warranty" and copy this
exact post you made here it would be fine. In fact I would encourage you to do so. Formatted like this, it would be more than fine.
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Took above action mentioned.
Arbitration decision of my PCS dispute
I know that many forum members in this thread have been waiting to hear the outcome of my arbitration dispute with Tesla over our PCS breakdowns. I can report that yesterday I finally received notification that the arbitrator decided for Tesla —not for me. More specifically, the arbitrator...teslamotorsclub.com
The main thing to take from this is that you've GOT to test charging above 32a (or above 16a if you have an SR/RWD) during the warranty period. Especially as you near the end of it. Tesla will not detect the fault, (or maybe just not tell you about it) even if you take it in for maintenance checks.This is pretty fascinating. Now I'm a little worried. Not a lot worried, mind you, my car is still well under the basic warranty coverage, but still. A few days ago it just didn't want to charge at anything more than 8A. Not even 16A. Cycled it a few times, rebooted, it finally said it would charge at 32A.
Yeah, I'll keep an eye on it. Maybe just dirt in the connector or something. It was in my garage, way above freezing.The main thing to take from this is that you've GOT to test charging above 32a (or above 16a if you have an SR/RWD) during the warranty period. Especially as you near the end of it. Tesla will not detect the fault, (or maybe just not tell you about it) even if you take it in for maintenance checks.
The behavior you're describing sounds more like a bad connection, maybe because of freezing, than a failing PCS....however, you should keep an eye on it.
I am facing the same problem now. Tesla is asking 1800 dollars for repairThere are now numerous threads in this forum about the battery's PCS in the HV Battery Service Panel breaking down. In the dispute I have filed with Tesla awaiting AAA mediation, it would be helpful to have a rough estimate on how many forum members have experienced this problem. If you are one of these owners, please respond to this poll. Also, I would like to ask those owners to please take the time to report the issue to the NHTSA, as I have already done, so that Tesla will need to fix the problem for all owners who encounter it —not just me.
I am facing the same problem now. Tesla is asking 1800 dollars for repair
If you reported the errors before the warranty expired, especially if you have documentation, I'd think you might have a case worthy of arbitration. I'd start with scheduling another service call asking for this to be covered under warranty.Add my 2018 to the list. It's been showing the "power grid" & related errors for years, well before the basic warranty expired. Service checked it out a couple times without mentioning the PCS. I even did the before end of warranty service, which turned up nothing. Now that I'm down to 16A charging, I finally know why.