T34ME
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It could be alternative facts or CYA.That is unless he's lying somewhere.
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It could be alternative facts or CYA.That is unless he's lying somewhere.
…Potentially, it was not all AP work. I believe as was the case with X, AP starts following one of these 2 white lines as a guide once it gets inside the barrier area, so right wheels could have been close to the white line on the right, which would have caused a barrier hitting the center of the car, but then You You steered to the right(?) and almost cleared it, i.e. half the distance is due to AP and the other half due to the driver steering...
That is unless he's lying somewhere.
Yes, fundamentally, the counter steer is what actually caused the accident.
No No No No!!! Most accidents occur within a few miles of your home because statistically that is where you do the vast majority of your driving, in a radial pattern from you home. Has nothing to do with overconfidence and complacency due to familiarity.Exactly, this is why most car accidents occur within 5 miles from one’s home. That is when a person is most relaxed and not paying attention because they think they know the area too well.
Doesn't matter if Google or Tesla had it mapped out, apparently there's no network connection for the vehicle there so it couldn't have loaded maps even if they existed. This means it also won't have "map tiles" telling it things like ignore this radar return here, handle this lane over there a special way, etc. Not exactly "flying blind" but certainly flying with zero knowledge of the area and relying totally on sensors and neural net decisions.
OK, I did not make an error.
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At 20 meters before the barrier it still takes 2.76 G's. To get down to the 0.88 G's that Car And Driver achieved on the skid pad would require 36.2 m distance. That would be slightly over 1 second before impact.
2 things - .88 G on a skid pad is sustained lateral acceleration, the car can get higher G's on a limited term. Also, the road is banked slightly which reduces the lateral acceleration. Having said that both 8 m and 20 m are hard to believe. 8 m would take less than a ¼ second to travel, if he is looking at his phone when it started, he is not reacting that quickly. Even at 20 m it is just over ½ second.
I don't understand travelling on an unfamiliar road that is splitting into two one-lane roads at 75 mph. The road looked very well marked with some of lighted indication prior to the fork. If I am in that situation with the fork approaching, I'm not looking at my phone and I'm slowing down to figure out where the two roads lead.
I just wish I would have had the foresight to NOT TRUST ELON. Now, I'm stuck with pee on fire and priapism and a car that tries to kill me when I sleep. Anyway guys, go fund me..... I need the funds.... I'm an ambassador of Tesla. I deserve to not pee fire because of Elon.
There have been 3 major headlines so far this year.Tesla really ought to rename Autopilot. Just gives the wrong connotation. Sure, Elon and some others think it's analogous to airplane autopilot, but a car is a different beast. In a split second, one could be going from the middle of the lane to dying by hitting an object.
Call it Driver Assist.
Or Driver Assist AYOR. (AYOR is "at your own risk")
I bet if it's called Driver Assist AYOR, we wouldn't as many headlines about Autopilot accidents and if and when the system failed, it would be as big of a deal.
There have been 3 major headlines so far this year.
1. The guy who unfortunately died in the bay area who kept on having the same AP problem in the same exact area, and kept on using AP
2. You You, who's driven 20k miles
3. The guy who hit the firetruck
This has nothing to do with the name, because at least 2 of those 3 knew exactly what AP does and doesn't do, and the name is meaningless to them.
I doubt that "higher G's on a limited term" could last for one second.2 things - .88 G on a skid pad is sustained lateral acceleration, the car can get higher G's on a limited term. Also, the road is banked slightly which reduces the lateral acceleration. Having said that both 8 m and 20 m are hard to believe. ...
‘I take full responsibility but...here’s a 12 page essay why it wasn’t my fault.’
I don't agree. Driving with AP1 is less challenging than regular driving. Of course it requires that you constantly monitor the road and traffic but so does "regular driving". AP takes care of most of the high-resolution input to the steering and throttle for you which significantly reduces effort and "challenge". I can't speak for AP2 specifically since I've never used it, but from what I've heard it pretty much the same story these days....we all need to agree that driving with AP1 or AP2 is more challenging than regular driving and requires constant monitoring.
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If you don't agree with this, then don't use it.
AP was not the cause of this tragic and avoidable crash (not an accident, as this was preventable). The cause can be summed up in how YouYou labels himself on fakebook - “Public Figure”! While on his tour of the US, YouYou actually used that very phrase when talking about himself to a friend of mine road with him for a test ride (which my friend greatly appreciated, as he now loves driving his very own 3).
In the interest and aspiration of fame,YouYou took great risks (all while uninsured on his US tour and with only liability insurance in Europe) and video streamed it all to share so people would follow and like him. Hopefully this is a learning moment for him and others. All this while driving “blind” at 75mph in an unknown area at night with little care to stop whatever he was doing on his phone. All of our kids watch those fakebook posts and YouTube videos of stupid stunts like driving without headlights and they try to emulate their favorite “Public Figure”! I’m glad YouYou survived, but I’m glad this stunt has ended (for the sake of my teenage daughter who is just now learning to drive).
Also, his reaction time could not have been good because he rarely gets proper restful sleep in a hotel bed. Evidence of this is his own account of falling asleep at the wheel 15+ times where AutoPilot saved him from himself. This was a predictable crash waiting to happen...which perhaps is why no insurance company wanted to take the high risk of insuring this Public Figure who provided lots of social media evidence of his high risk driving for any insurance underwriter to see. Yes, smart insurance companies do check out the internet before insuring unique requests/events.