larmor
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Or we should go to sec, fbi, doj, state Dept and cry foul for trying to sell more cars and optimize production runs.
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Not for me. I have a P3D- on order and when I went to reconfigure it was $5K more.
Makes sense to me. Was super confusing that you had to buy the performance upgrade separately from the performance car.
Causalien
Prime 8 ball Oracle
So the shorts used up one of their ultimate weapons and it has no effect.
My guess is around 360, they will fire the second shot with a second sec investigation story.
Right now, it feels like these regulators are bought and paid for by the shorts. It won't surprise me that they push for some kind of unreasonable charge. *sugar* happens and if not perfectly executing is a crime, then all corps are guilty.
My guess is around 360, they will fire the second shot with a second sec investigation story.
Right now, it feels like these regulators are bought and paid for by the shorts. It won't surprise me that they push for some kind of unreasonable charge. *sugar* happens and if not perfectly executing is a crime, then all corps are guilty.
But if you got over your confusion and decided that you really want to use the car on the track, Tesla would have a higher margin. Wondering could this have a negative impact on Q4. Unless they calculated that P sales will double and bring in more new referrals.
sundaymorning
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Uh oh, shorts are toast.
Oracle founder Larry Ellison discloses big personal stake in Tesla
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Oracle's Larry Ellison Discloses Tesla Stake, Sees ‘A Lot of Upside’
Oracle founder Larry Ellison discloses big personal stake in Tesla
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Oracle's Larry Ellison Discloses Tesla Stake, Sees ‘A Lot of Upside’
- Billionaire says electric-car maker is his No. 2 investment
- Chairman of software maker criticizes how media covers Musk
I redid my share counts. If the short-sellers are still going when Tesla gets added to the S&P, I currently believe there will be a true squeeze, with the S&P funds and short sellers together trying to buy more shares than other shareholders are willing to sell. Of course, Andrew Left and Santos have already covered their short positions, so I suspect the short-sellers will get out before the S&P addition, so I think this is unlikely. It may still be difficult for the S&P funds to find all the shares they want to buy...
...has an "index squeeze" ever been documented? That is, a stock is added to an index, but the number of shares available for sale is less than the number which the index funds want to buy? What do the index funds do? I guess they'd bid the stock price to the moon, or maybe play options to try to replicate the stock price movement without buying shares?
...has an "index squeeze" ever been documented? That is, a stock is added to an index, but the number of shares available for sale is less than the number which the index funds want to buy? What do the index funds do? I guess they'd bid the stock price to the moon, or maybe play options to try to replicate the stock price movement without buying shares?
Carl Raymond
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Is there a better word than charitable? Perhaps virtuous, noble, socially responsible... When I think of charity I think of the giver giving x and the receiver receiving x (minus the not insignificant admin cost of the charity).
Most of it is in Oracle; he only has $10 billion outside Oracle apparently.
Why would there be a huge squeeze? Wouldn’t institutions be selling as the stock rises above their internal targets?
Also retail longs for that matter?
I’m over-invested in TSLA and I would definitely be selling some if it crosses $500. Maybe even $400.
dc_h
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And that still doesn’t mean shet. If some line guy says we can’t do it , but Elon , with more information says we can, his opinion wins. Is he overly optimistic, yes. Does he have a history of being overly optimistic, yes. Could Tesla exist if he was not unreasonably optimistic, no. SpaceX and Tesla exist more than any single thing, to Elon’s stubborn and unreasonable optimism.
The other thing that could trigger a squeeze "soon" is if the new board members go to a vote of the shareholders, and the people with shares lent out recall them so they can vote.
Carl Raymond
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That's a thought that's crossed my mind. Anybody selling right now has failed to reassess their target following the "out of the ballpark" Q3 report. If institution fund managers have failed to reassess, they're slackers. I also expect many institutions that could not justify being in on TSLA prior to Q3 - because it was too risky, have had a change of heart. They'll be getting in, competing with the short sellers who are looking to cover - fastest wins.
Krugerrand
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I’m going to wait it out just a little bit longer. I’ve seen this trick a time or two and am unconvinced.
Ugh the mythical short squeeze talk again! I remember what happened the last time.
ruralectric
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According to the Electrek article, "(Tesla) said that they will adjust the price for the vehicles on order, but buyers who took delivery before today are out-of-luck."
Tesla reduces price of Model 3 Performance – punishing early adopters/reservation holders
I think they're working off the depositions collected for that lawsuit a few months ago. They were most former employees.
Fred Lambert cracks me up. His tone on Tesla seems to depend mostly on how much something affects him personally.
Ahahahaha oh wow.
In hindsight, I'm super glad I downgraded to an AWD from a P3D- during that whole Track Mode fiasco. I dodged a bullet it seems.
My AWD drives fine, I'm not killing myself over 1 second from 0-60 in all honesty and I don't have to deal with this.
Immediately regret clicking that link... (Fred's spin is always terrible). "Punishing early adopters". No, Fred you got exactly the car you ordered for exactly the price listed. Tesla's mission is to get electric car adoption to spread as quickly as possible, as widely as possible, and a critical part of that is price reduction. You have to know that Tesla does not wait for "model years" to change prices and features. You run Electrek, for crying out loud.
If you're not happy with what you're getting, at the price you're getting it, when you place your order... don't order a Tesla. It might change tomorrow (without warning, because they don't want to Osborne themselves). That doesn't change what you got. Drop the envy for someone later than you getting a better deal - the goal is that everyone in the future gets a great deal. Nobody held a gun to your head and made you be an early adopter - you wanted to be an early adopter.
Not to mention that it's not like he got "nothing" for the extra $5k, he got unlimited lifetime supercharging :Þ
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