Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[wipster]

Well, at least we finished over tree fiddy...

 

[wipster]

So Porsche is trying to convince people that the EPA testing does not reflect reality. Maybe its my age, but you'd have no argument from me there -- but it would go in the opposite direction. Few people ever got the sticker mileage and, at least in my neck of the woods, its a running joke.

So either I'm completely out of touch, or Porsche is desperately (but likely uselessly) trying to pull a wizard of Oz routine.

Next you know they're going to hire the Eagles to sing "Taycan... to the limit... one more time..."

 

[The Accountant]

Outrageous, price-capping manipulation today...

I agree.
What's nice though is looking at a 5 day chart....the Trend is my Friend:

 

[humbaba]

Next you know they're going to hire the Eagles to sing "Taycan... to the limit... one more time..."

Would that be the theme of a Taycan road trip? Struggling to the very limit of range, just one more time, to reach the destination

Or would it be, "I think I can, I think Taycan" as they limp into the charger

 

[wipster]

Corrected:
Porsche Taycan Turbo Range Tester Much Higher Than In EPA Independent Test

 

[Tslynk67]

closing percent increase was eleventy-one. May those of short stature prosper while those of short interest fail

Don’t be gross!

 

[Tifighter]

Lots of discussion going on at the Taycan forum on Rennlist. Porsche had their press release and independent test results ready to send to reservation holders as soon as the EPA number was released.

 

[KarenRei]

In case you see anyone claiming that the Model 3 at its current prices on the website no longer qualifies for Canadian incentives... it's false.

Nafnlaus on Twitter

 

[humbaba]

Don’t be gross!

well eleventy-one is still a bit shy of being gross, but Porsche's exaggerations aren't shy at all

 

[Thekiwi]

So, does that foreshadow a cross Russia, Mega Charger enabled, Tesla semi roadtrain enabling, system for shipping cars from both Europe and China?

Don't forget that when boring company completes a Bering strait tunnel, that you will be able to drive from the southern tip of South America to Europe or South Africa if one wanted.

 

[KarenRei]

There will be 0 deliveries from GF3

Leaning that way too (Wuwa stated something about deliveries scheduled to start early in January, "later than expected"). I hope they have lots of parking area to warehouse production though, at the rate it's been ramping up

Net result: higher margins, but lots of in-transit inventory. Q1 gets a big boost.

 

[humbaba]

Don't forget that when boring company completes a Bering strait tunnel, that you will be able to drive from the southern tip of South America to Europe or South Africa if one wanted.

now that would be a road trip

 

[Boomer19]

will they break out china made P&D vs US?

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

So Porsche is trying to convince people that the EPA testing does not reflect reality. Maybe its my age, but you'd have no argument from me there -- but it would go in the opposite direction. Few people ever got the sticker mileage and, at least in my neck of the woods, its a running joke.

So either I'm completely out of touch, or Porsche is desperately (but likely uselessly) trying to pull a wizard of Oz routine.

It's also a nice trick. Manufacturers are not allowed to advertise numbers other than EPA.

They can just let the media do the job for them. Learning from Tesla.

 

[Alphacrux]

Don't forget that when boring company completes a Bering strait tunnel, that you will be able to drive from the southern tip of South America to Europe or South Africa if one wanted.

Incorrect, unfortunately, due to the Darien Gap.

 

[humbaba]

It's also a nice trick. Manufacturers are not allowed to advertise numbers other than EPA.

They can just let the media do the job for them. Learning from Tesla.

I get that. The article was certainly quick to play up the "not really real" aspect of EPA testing. But I think people are more inclined to think the EPA numbers are overly optimistic. I could be wrong, but I don't expect them to con many people.

 

[humbaba]

Incorrect, unfortunately, due to the Darien Gap.

Dream crusher

edit: oh, with the cybertruck equipped with the camping solar panels I'll be fine. You're good.

edit2: will probably want the cybertruck APC for some of those areas anyway

 

[sundaymorning]

I get that. The article was certainly quick to play up the "not really real" aspect of EPA testing. But I think people are more inclined to think the EPA numbers are overly optimistic. I could be wrong, but I don't expect them to con many people.

I don’t expect any different from a company that once conned it’s own customers via emissions cheat device. EV is a different game, but same ole Porsche.....

 

[Christine69420]

Don't forget that when boring company completes a Bering strait tunnel, that you will be able to drive from the southern tip of South America to Europe or South Africa if one wanted.

Yeah, but I can't find any superchargers near the Bering strait. How large a battery will the Cybertruck get again?

Apart from that it would be an epic trip from Tierra del Fuego in southern Argentina to North Cape in Norway - from pole to pole and around the world in one fantastic trip!

 

[ZachF]

Thanks - 201 miles on 93.5 kWh is unbelievably bad. Worse than even pre-update i-Pace despite much less frontal area. How did Porsche screw this up so badly? BTW, they got "independent" AMCI to certify it at 275 "real world" miles. Hmmm.

Too bad Taycan didn't do the recent e-Cannonball rally in Germany. It's not scientific since teams can be tripped up by traffic, bad strategy, etc. But it's still interesting. Model 3s cleaned up, taking the top 6 spots and the only times under 9 hours (~800 km). Kona, e-Tron and a 28 kWh Ioniq (!!) finished 7/8/9. The best Model S placed 11th at just under 10 hours. Ioniqs also placed 14th and 18th, so not a fluke. You can see basic results on this video. If anyone has links to the actual spreadsheet I'd be obliged.

I don't ascribe much value to times over 11 hours, a lot of entrants probably just had fun sightseeing and enjoying long lunches or whatever. But the Opel Ampera-e (aka Chevy Bolt), Nissan Leaf and Renault Zoes were all 13+ hours. And the only Jaguar i-Pace took 17 hours!

It's probably a result of using their two-speed transmission. The transmission is going to add losses on both the acceleration and deceleration side.