Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[TNEVol]

To be fair, my local Supercharger is full maybe half the time I go to it (not including before 5 am.. but I've seen it full at 6 am!), and it's been like that since I took ownership last year. Wait time isn't usually longer than 10 minutes on a regular day. On the weekend, however, the wait can be even longer, depending on the length of the line. It's also in a parking lot that gets busy and there is no good way to form the line.

Not disagreeing that it's not "the #1 reason people don't buy Teslas" but I would not call the wait to charge situation "rare and extreme." It is standard procedure here, and therefore some owners might make the (incorrect) assumption that that's the case at every SC.

Wait! What is a local supercharger? My local charger is in my garage and the superchargers are for long trips. I will say that in over 6 years and 170k miles in both my S and 3, including numerous long road trips (3200 miles in October alone) I have only found 2 incidents of full superchargers. One was in Plantation FL where all the cars had FL plates and seemed to be in the mall but I only waited 5 minutes or so. The other was when we went to the first Falcon Heavy launch and afterwards the huge number of Spacex fans waited happily at the nearest supercharger to the north. One of my best memories was each of us talking about the launch and sharing the chargers

 

[RFernatt]

And I happen to live in Ashburn, VA.

Sweet V3 in Ashburn! I may need to drive over from WV just so I can see that V3 charging rate for myself when completed.

 

[RobStark]

But people rather wait in line at Costco instead of going across the street???? Just saying

For some people $1.5-$2.50 is worth more than 20-40 minutes of their time.

For others not so much.

 

[ladysbff]

Wait! What is a local supercharger? My local charger is in my garage and the superchargers are for long trips. I will say that in over 6 years and 170k miles in both my S and 3, including numerous long road trips (3200 miles in October alone) I have only found 2 incidents of full superchargers. One was in Plantation FL where all the cars had FL plates and seemed to be in the mall but I only waited 5 minutes or so. The other was when we went to the first Falcon Heavy launch and afterwards the huge number of Spacex fans waited happily at the nearest supercharger to the north. One of my best memories was each of us talking about the launch and sharing the chargers

My local Supercharger = the Supercharger closest to me. FYI according to the app it is full right now (7:30 pm PST).

 

[RobStark]

Funny thing, the place I charge is never full and never has a line. It's called my garage. Just sayin'.

You are talking edge cases. Do they happen?...yes. Are they a pain when they do?...yes. Are they the norm?...absolutely, unequivocally, not.

Dan

All of us here know this to be true.

Call it status quo bias or whatever you want but there are absolutely a large number of ICEv drivers that will not switch because of this.

Some never really considered switching they just want an excuse for their environmentally unfriendly lifestyle. For others it is a pain point they exaggerate in their minds to the point where they put of buying a BEV for now.

5 minutes per week doesn't seem as much as a pain as 30 minutes twice per year.

That reality is an issue for BEV adoption.

 

[Todd Burch]

Well sure, but that's like five orders.

And all from some guy named ”Karenr Ei”. Hmm...guess that’s some kind of unusual Icelandic name...

 

[printf42]

For some people $1.5-$2.50 is worth more than 20-40 minutes of their time.

For others not so much.

For some people, 20-40 min of alone time in the car while someone else took kids shopping actually worth paying for, let alone it actually saves $2.00 “for the house”.

 

[jerry33]

Wait! What is a local supercharger?

Urban Superchargers do not charge as fast as a V2 Supercharger and are to serve those people who live in apartments and have no other means of charging.

 

[M3Rider]

And all from some guy named ”Karenr Ei”. Hmm...guess that’s some kind of unusual Icelandic name...

My GPS shows both Naflaus and @KarenRei live under the same roof, so there may be a conflict of interest between Karen promoting Teslas on the radio, Naflaus reporting excessive sales, and Karen's garage running out of space.

 

[Singuy]

I personally do not have range anxiety. My LR AWD has been anxiety-free for the full 22,000 miles I've driven in it so far.

Per my original post, however, the many, many prospective owners I have talked to about buying a Tesla have range anxiety. Happy to write more about how many people I've talked to, where I met them, and what their concerns were. Just let me know if that would be helpful to this discussion.

I'm sure it wasn't on purpose, but your word choice is needlessly combative. It also draws a damaging and potentially hurtful line between homeowners and non-homeowners ("people like you" "square block into a circle hole" "you guys picked your poison" "you guys can stop having range anxiety due to your circumstances is probably worst for climate change" "but instead we have to use the resources to build just 1 ev car just to modify the hole you want to fit that square in").

Othering non-homeowners and making them feel guilty because they are the wrong "shape" to own and operate an EV will not help us accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy any faster.

Not saying you guys should feel guilty. But it's like someone living in NYC complaining about owning a car. It's fair to have range anxiety every day if you can't charge at home. To complain about Tesla not having enough range or infrastructure just gets an eye roll because you picked this lifestyle going in. That's like complaining about a lack of parking spots in NYC.

 

[RFernatt]

And all from some guy named ”Karenr Ei”. Hmm...guess that’s some kind of unusual Icelandic name...

It's 5 VMs running on a single AI host.

 

[ZeApelido]

Lots of new Solar Roof installer job postings on Tesla's Linkedin site.

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/searc...T=15075&locationId=OTHERS.worldwide&sortBy=DD

 

[Andy O]

Hmm, looks like it wasn't just one Canadian V3 station that opened this evening, but two

If North Bay and Sault Ste Marie are both open now, maybe the Tesla testing crew is travelling west along the TransCanada Highway from North Bay and firing up the superchargers as they go. If so, we can hope that Espanola and Blind River are also open.The V3 superchargers are apparently all built and just waiting for testing.

 

[madodel]

So "wealthy" people are clogging Superchargers so they can charge for free, rather than the convenience of charging at home?

I guess that's how you get wealthy...

I always thought it was the Grey Poupon.

 

[dc_h]

It's been posted, but the amount of material that would equal the dollars claimed would fill a couple of railroad cars, so there's some question about the facts.

It was this guy

 

[Tim S]

From Electrek: Elon Musk announces Tesla's 'two most critical priorities' by end of year - Electrek

From the story... "A source familiar with Tesla sales told Electrek that they expect the automaker to achieve record deliveries every week until the end of the year."

Anyone know Tesla's record deliveries for one week?

 

[JRP3]

It all comes down to who gets to do the programming. THAT is the problem, and it's a huge one.

Actually the real problem is when an AI can advance beyond any initial programming.

 

[madodel]

The difference is you can easily go to Joe Schmoe across the street and pay ~$0.10 more per gallon and wait less than 5 minutes. Or sometimes not at all.

There is usually one gas station in a neighborhood that is ~$0.15 more per gallon than Costco and is never full.

Isn't that what Electrify America is doing? I'd only pay their high rates if I had no other choice. Luckily up to now I've never had to pay anything for charging. But that's how I got this rich. ;-)

 

[BioSehnsucht]

From the story... "A source familiar with Tesla sales told Electrek that they expect the automaker to achieve record deliveries every week until the end of the year."

Anyone know Tesla's record deliveries for one week?

Could just be record for week 48 of any year, 49 of any year, etc.

 

[dc_h]

Seems like good battery news is percolating. it’s only a 20 million dollar project, but it sounds like the big utility scale projects are ramping up.
looking forward to battery day. They need to double capacity in 2020.

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