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Superchargers in Australia
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Midnight Man
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At 150Wh/km (a little higher than my Model Y RWD lifetime average - and it spends its life on freeways), 100km would consume 15kW of power, at a cost of $10.50.
In my previous Subaru Forester, I would use 7l/100km, and with fuel at $2.20/litre, this leads to a cost of $15.40.
By all reports, the Subaru was reasonably fuel efficient compared to some other vehicles out there.
With apologies, I'm not seeing your math stacking up?
Chuq
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Doesn't stack up for me either.
70c/kWh at 160 Wh/km = $11.20/100 km.
For a petrol car (@ 8L/100 km) to cost the same amount, it would need to be $1.40/L petrol.
And considering that most of my charging is at home (@ 17c/kWh), lets be conservative and say only 80% at home (and 20% at superchargers), that would still be an averaged rate of 27.6c/kWh. Using the above conversions, that's the equivalent of 55c/L petrol.
70c/kWh at 160 Wh/km = $11.20/100 km.
For a petrol car (@ 8L/100 km) to cost the same amount, it would need to be $1.40/L petrol.
And considering that most of my charging is at home (@ 17c/kWh), lets be conservative and say only 80% at home (and 20% at superchargers), that would still be an averaged rate of 27.6c/kWh. Using the above conversions, that's the equivalent of 55c/L petrol.
crc77
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being very generous with the fuel efficiency there. Aren't most cars around 5L/100km these days?
Was noted almost a month ago when it occured.
Superchargers in Australia
And this entire post has been thrown out of whack by the surprise appearance of Supercharger - Abbotsford, Vic ! It makes one wonder which other sites (known with permit or otherwise) might be proceeding without anyone noticing. Wouldn't it be awesome if Tesla themselves made a feed/page to...
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Of a similar size? I dunno about "most". I moved from a hybrid 4-cylinder sedan to a MYP. I was getting 6.9L/100km combined highway:city (50:50) driving. I'm now getting 167kW/100km.
I don't know about that, my Prius C was averaging closer to 4.5L/100km right up until I sold it to move to the MG4.
You can't tell me the massive SUVs and trucks on the road today are getting close to that.
The 3 series seems to quote around 6-7L/100km highway cycle, so real world would be at least that.
As for mileage, my BMW 320d '09 use to get 4.5l/100km on the highway, and at $2 a litre we're now at close to even money.
Anyone owning an S/X it's now just as expensive as an ICE.
Not a great selling point anymore and paraphrasing Elon, he wasn't meant to be using this a source of revenue. And just on this point, the further down the road we get to renewables, the more expensive it's becoming, not the other way around as promised.
Hydro is the most purest and cheapest form of renewable yet seems the least talked about and pursued. Once again, politics before any form of common sense.
In any case as others have mentioned, most people are charging at home where I get (probably one of the worse rates, thanks Ergon) 22c/kWh. This is 68% of my total charging split. This means my average if the remainder of my charging was purely superchargers (its not) would be 37.36c/kWh.
Highway charging may indeed end up costing more than fuel (unlikely) but where home charging is under our control, this keeps EVs cheaper.
One might be tempted to buy a ICE just for road trips then. This is ludicrous idea because who would sink 50k+ into a car just for highway trips?
Highway charging may indeed end up costing more than fuel (unlikely) but where home charging is under our control, this keeps EVs cheaper.
One might be tempted to buy a ICE just for road trips then. This is ludicrous idea because who would sink 50k+ into a car just for highway trips?
I charge at 8c/kwh between 12am-6am (OVO) and UQ is paying me to charge at non-peak hours (in addition to one year of Teslascope subscription)
Electricity price rises over the past 2 years have been mostly due to price increases in fossil fuels, particularly gas. And the way our wholesale electricity market works, the most expensive fuel often sets the marginal price. So it’s not until fossil fuels are almost completely eliminated will the inherent cost advantage of renewables finally be realised. SA is getting very close to that point.
How the right-wing media manage to twist this 180° and blame renewables is quite bizarre and completely wrong. But they don’t deal in facts.
It’s actually now the most expensive form of renewable power. Very difficult to find good and acceptable sites, and hugely expensive and time consuming to build.
Regarding Supercharging costs… there are other DCFC networks out there, and you are allowed to use them.
Its pretty clear in the attached image a higher percentage of renewables correlates to a lower wholesale price. Unless of course its all coincidental. But I think not.
And generally hated by the environmentalists as it's often destroying what's often native land supporting wildlife.
And don't mention the financial disaster of Snowy 2.0 (or pumped hydro, basically using midday solar to pump water back up hill so you can create electricity at night).
Originally toured by PM Turnbull in 2017 as a $2bn project, it's now $13bn and growing.
Midnight Man
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Yup.It was also going to be finished 2 years ago…
And it makes me wonder how many megapacks $13bn would buy, ready for install/commissioning and use right now.
