jdo
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With all the people who have a vested interest in bad press for Tesla, you'd think this would be shooting fish in a barrel if there was any truth to it.
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Supercharger - Newark, DE
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With all the people who have a vested interest in bad press for Tesla, you'd think this would be shooting fish in a barrel if there was any truth to it.
HankLloydRight
No Roads
It varies by installation. Some do like the restaurants and hotels, but I'd guess the "rest stop" type locations are direct billed.
I believe this to be generally true for destination chargers (HPWC's and the occasional J1772), but don't believe it is true for superchargers.
The cost for the latter is probably an order of magnitude or more than the former...
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There are a few spots where a 3rd party provides the power. They get identified with a little sign saying "power supported by XXX". The Burlington, NH one is like that see this picture from that thread.: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/noparkingsign-jpg.107623/
mikeash
Active Member
Yes, the Healthy Living store pays for at least part of the power bill for the South Burlington, VT supercharger.
During the outage, some of us noticed that the status of Newark shown on our Navigation screens was not always the same on our cars.
We never really determined why they weren’t always in sync. I would have thought that when Tesla switches the status on the system, that the info reaches all the cars at the same time.
I’ve started a thread to share data on how the status of the Bethesda Supercharger’s closure will propagate when it is shut off, probably on Thursday.
Go over to the thread and leave a comment if you are interested.
Status Propagation on Nav When Bethesda SpC Closes
We never really determined why they weren’t always in sync. I would have thought that when Tesla switches the status on the system, that the info reaches all the cars at the same time.
I’ve started a thread to share data on how the status of the Bethesda Supercharger’s closure will propagate when it is shut off, probably on Thursday.
Go over to the thread and leave a comment if you are interested.
Status Propagation on Nav When Bethesda SpC Closes
The car periodically polls Tesla for an updated supercharger list. This is up to the car, but seems to be about once or twice per day. It's saved as a JSON file on the CID.
For outages, the car polls Tesla periodically (few times per hour it looks like) for affected stations within driving range of the current location by specifying the id#s of those superchargers it wants to check the status of. Generally the response is nothing.
For outages, the car polls Tesla periodically (few times per hour it looks like) for affected stations within driving range of the current location by specifying the id#s of those superchargers it wants to check the status of. Generally the response is nothing.
paulkva
part of the supercharge.info dev team
And I hope this gives Tesla some direction as to the necessary bug fix. Instead of limiting the outage polling to superchargers within driving range, they should extend the set of requested IDs to any locations within, say, 100 or 200 miles of any active route in Trip Planner. I could see an argument for also including any locations within driving range plus 100-200 miles in any direction. The net effect would presumably be at most a few extra kilobytes of network traffic per car per hour.
At a bare minimum, Trip Planner should immediately check the status of every supercharger being considered for a route as a key part of planning the route.
At a bare minimum, Trip Planner should immediately check the status of every supercharger being considered for a route as a key part of planning the route.
dhanson865
Well-Known Member
Notice it says supported by, not provided by. I'm going to say that means that Tesla is paying for most of the power but is getting partial payment from the cafe in exchange for the sign saying they "support" Tesla.
Yes - it should check continuously (just like it does for traffic) and reroute whenever a problem occurs.
As it stands right now the Nav indicates and reroutes when there's a slow down in traffic ahead (in near real time) but can't route me around a shut down Supercharger.
Mike
When @CHRGIT reported that the Newark pin had disappeared on his Nav screen around 9:00 Saturday night, I was still seeing it on my screen from my location just south of Baltimore. The image below was captured at 4:45 AM Sunday, at least four hours after people were saying that the Supercharger had been turned back on. I seemed to have been getting the data to my screen, albeit several hours after @CHRGIT.
On the fourth day, Tesla finally removed the Newark Supercharger from the map completely which apparently was the only way to keep the Nav. system/Trip Planner from routing people to Newark to charge.
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