An inch below the fans is the belly pan. The only room is next to the fans, but that is needed for airflow.
I've tried to come up with an air filter system for the cooling fans, but there is just not much room.
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An inch below the fans is the belly pan. The only room is next to the fans, but that is needed for airflow.
I've tried to come up with an air filter system for the cooling fans, but there is just not much room.
wiztecy
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I'm sorry, but I was all for these guys in the beginning 'Gruber' and ElectricLove promoting the company/technology. But now I've changed my view, this is wrong in what they're doing in terms of falsely representing themselves which I personally find unethical. Question is would you trust someone working on your $100+k car who uses these tactics? I hate to say it but people who use these tactics should be banned from any website where they they falsely represent themselves. ElectricLove may be possibly innocent here, but, you have to know who and what your boss is doing here. I myself don't like it.
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Come on give these guys a break.
the roadster community is so small, so how the hell should he advertise his services ?
should he make a tv commercial or what ?
be happy that there are companies likes this, that might offer cheaper alternatives for PEM repair.
tmc is probably the only way to reach tesla roadster owners .
if you know a other way wiztecy, let us know !
- but I agree with the fact that should be honest when posting en say clearly who they are and what they stand for.
the roadster community is so small, so how the hell should he advertise his services ?
should he make a tv commercial or what ?
be happy that there are companies likes this, that might offer cheaper alternatives for PEM repair.
tmc is probably the only way to reach tesla roadster owners .
if you know a other way wiztecy, let us know !
- but I agree with the fact that should be honest when posting en say clearly who they are and what they stand for.
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bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
That's the better way that wiztecy is asking for. It feels wrong to pretend to be an outside party, singing the praises of the company, when it's actually the CEO. It also feels wrong to make bold statements in threads like 'Tesla won't repair PEMs', when they do.
A good business shouldn't need to do stuff like that.
wiztecy
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People who represent themselves falsely hurt those who try to represent themselves honestly. The CEO of Gruber saw how we were disgusted with his SPAM tactics. Do you understand why they call it SPAM? The masses don't eat SPAM, do you? I don't want to eat SPAM nor receive it in my email. Getting back to the point, the CEO of Gruber had a chance to defend and respond to his crude advertising practices that many have responded they DO NOT approve of. Instead of replying back, he used ElectricLove as his correspondent. I as well as others didn't know that the CEO of Gruber was even a member here. He has NOT contributed to any discussions but rather, has misrepresented himself as a 'customer' of Gruber who was satisfied with Gruber's service. In my opinion that is wrong and very misrepresenting of a member here on TMC. What does this guy think, we were just born yesterday? People on TMC are rather savvy and look out for one another which I highly appreciate. I don't want this site going down the toilet by people who have one motive on this site, to market their own business. Gruber could have been a sponsor of TMC but didn't choose to be. I would highly suggest they don't become one since I don't want any sponsor on TMC to offer their services when they show poor judgement and lack of respect for others on the site.
I don't trust anyone to work on my cars or my Roadster, even Tesla! But I know that if Tesla screws something up they have money in the bank and a positive image they're trying to hold on to and represent that. Gruber, not so much. If your Roadster catches fire, is destroyed, and the Roadster then catches your house on fire and possibly your neighbors house on fire do you think Gruber has enough money in the bank or even insurance to cover the losses??
Think first about who you give your money to and the possibilities.
If they were an honest company trying to build up clients and a positive reputation, then you give up some trust for them to build it up by their actions. I was a member who believed in the latter with this company, but now I'm fully a Roadster owner who's swayed in the other direction. I don't support these types of companies. How many companies have I given my money to through SPAM tactics. ZERO. But if you like buying herbal Viagra though the Internet via SPAM then go ahead and give your business to these guys....
Note. Businesses who market their business in an ethical positive manner build their business slowly but by word of mouth their well educated clients built up exponentially without paid advertising or SPAM. Companies who use SPAM tactics and unethical practices build their business faster in the beginning with uneducated customers, however, that type of business then tapers off and begins loosing customers as the paint starts to peel off the frontage of the company.
I'm 100% with Mark now curious how Gruber got his email. Its companies like Gruber that make people like Mark not contribute freely and openly to a group and that loss is detrimental to good honest people who are ethical and have proper morals.
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Chickenlittle
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There are threads on the site to advertise products and services. That is where those posts belong
Well, to be fair racevpr does drive a Roadster, it is his daily driver car AND we have repaired his PEM... I'm not saying that I consider this to be an appropriate tactic, I'm only saying it isn't 100% false/misleading, this is genuinely a Tesla Roadster owner who has had his PEM repaired by Gruber Power...
supersnoop
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I call shenanigans.
He referred to Gruber in the third person. That's knowingly and obviously deceitful. It is 100% misleading.
wiztecy
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The New York Times
“I celebrate myself, and sing myself,” wrote Walt Whitman, America’s great bard of self-promotion. As the world goes ever more digital, quite a few businesses are adopting that philosophy — hiring a veritable chorus of touts to sing their nonexistent praises and lure in customers.
New York regulators will announce on Monday the most comprehensive crackdown to date on deceptive reviews on the Internet. Agreements have been reached with 19 companies to cease their misleading practices and pay a total of $350,000 in penalties.
The yearlong investigation encompassed companies that create fake reviews as well as the clients that buy them. Among those signing the agreements are a charter bus operator, a teeth-whitening service, a laser hair-removal chain and an adult entertainment club. Also signing are several reputation-enhancement firms that place fraudulent reviews on sites like Google, Yelp, Citysearch and Yahoo.
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Business Ethics Book:
This talks about companies being deceitful and unethical, posting to customers as if they were a customer to prop up the company with positive feedback and reviews....
Business Ethics - K. Praveen Parboteeah, John B. Cullen - Google Books
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The Roadster community is a small one, why would you try to pull a fast one on people whom your trying to build trust with. I'm all for someone small who wants to add their services and contribute to a community in a positive fashion. Looking at Gruber's website, it gave me an impression of a scam website off the bat.... But I still gave them the benefit of the doubt. But when you start to connect the dots of all this it does not look good nor is it a business I want to support or give a dime to. Even if these were 'honest' mistakes, it show they have poor decision making skills. Would you want someone like that tinkering around with your expensive ride? I don't trust them at all and never will. Period. Nothing more needs to be said.
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+1 Exactly. If someone sees the opposite, there's something wrong in the way you perceive people and things.
Give Yourself 5 Stars? Online, It Might Cost You
“I celebrate myself, and sing myself,” wrote Walt Whitman, America’s great bard of self-promotion. As the world goes ever more digital, quite a few businesses are adopting that philosophy — hiring a veritable chorus of touts to sing their nonexistent praises and lure in customers.
New York regulators will announce on Monday the most comprehensive crackdown to date on deceptive reviews on the Internet. Agreements have been reached with 19 companies to cease their misleading practices and pay a total of $350,000 in penalties.
The yearlong investigation encompassed companies that create fake reviews as well as the clients that buy them. Among those signing the agreements are a charter bus operator, a teeth-whitening service, a laser hair-removal chain and an adult entertainment club. Also signing are several reputation-enhancement firms that place fraudulent reviews on sites like Google, Yelp, Citysearch and Yahoo.
....
Business Ethics Book:
This talks about companies being deceitful and unethical, posting to customers as if they were a customer to prop up the company with positive feedback and reviews....
Business Ethics - K. Praveen Parboteeah, John B. Cullen - Google Books
....
The Roadster community is a small one, why would you try to pull a fast one on people whom your trying to build trust with. I'm all for someone small who wants to add their services and contribute to a community in a positive fashion. Looking at Gruber's website, it gave me an impression of a scam website off the bat.... But I still gave them the benefit of the doubt. But when you start to connect the dots of all this it does not look good nor is it a business I want to support or give a dime to. Even if these were 'honest' mistakes, it show they have poor decision making skills. Would you want someone like that tinkering around with your expensive ride? I don't trust them at all and never will. Period. Nothing more needs to be said.
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+1 Exactly. If someone sees the opposite, there's something wrong in the way you perceive people and things.
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I agree, it is deceitful... I didn't say I agree with it, its something I again advised against. But, to be totally honest, again, he is a roadster owner and we have done a PEM repair on his PEM... He just also happens to be associated with the company...
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
"To be totally honest", this is just as ethical as a chef giving himself a great review because he likes the food he cooks.
Habious
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Wait...he also just happens to OWN THE COMPANY. He doesn't just work there. He's not mopping floors.
wiztecy
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Gruber Power Services review
I said what?: Gruber Power Services review
Glassdoor review:
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Company is rapidly changing for the worse. The owner is lost in past times and upper management has recently changed to someone whom is in over their head. All of the new management team left due to the companies instability the manager I looked up to left because he felt it was going down hill. The CEO asked me to work off the clock and I followed.
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Gruber-Power-Services-Reviews-E719419.htm
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