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It is unfortunate not to test-drive the used Car. In my one week opinion, I've already found five issues (1. unusual wind noise from driver windshield 2. passenger side door part under windshield 3. 3G internet not working other than navigation and map 4. charging port occasionally not open so that I have to manually press hard 5. one tire with huge nail in it - fixed) within a week. I would have known these issues if I was able to test-drive the car.
Well, it is their policy anyways. We have to follow it or find other cars who let you test-drive. One good part is that Tesla has 4yr/50k of CPO warranty (unless you want pre-2015 and/or over 50k mileage car). This will mostly solve the problems other than cosmetic defects.

Hope things work well for you. I'm sorry for what happened.
 
The CPO process can be improved without a doubt.

I ended up trading my Yukon for my Tesla. My DS didn’t even bother taking my trade for a test drive. Before delivery of my Tesla I already had an agreed upon value for my trade. No haggling or negotiating. I’ll gladly trade not being able to go for a test drive over having to haggle with the dealer for hours over a price.

After receiving my CPO I noticed that the upper portion of my DRL’s on both headlights wasn’t working. Went online made an appointment with the service center and they replaced both headlights, all under warranty. Even gave me X5 (Enterprise rental) as a loaner.

In my opinion (emphasis on “my opinion”) I think you missed out on getting a great car by being fickle.
 
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Isn't the car under warranty? Any performance or mechanical issues would be dealt with. What you are looking for is cosmetic issues that you could not see in photos, or that obviously occurred AFTER your photos were taken.

Sorry you didn't want the car. I think you should have realized that before purchasing, rather than putting everyone through all the trouble after the fact. Seems like you were hunting for reasons to bail.


NO. OP wants to test drive his used car purchase, that's a totally legit request. What if the car has some issues that can be revealed during the test drive that OP is not comfortable with? He can then refuse the purchase. If he had taken the car without the test drive, and issues found during the 6-hour trip home, he'd then have to take it to the service center. That wastes his time, and is very inconvenient. Likely it'll be multiple trips to the service centers.
 
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NO. OP wants to test drive his used car purchase, that's a totally legit request. What if the car has some issues that can be revealed during the test drive that OP is not comfortable with? He can then refuse the purchase. If he had taken the car without the test drive, and issues found during the 6-hour trip home, he'd then have to take to to the service center. That wastes his time, and is very inconvenient. Likely it'll be multiple trips to the service centers.
Seems like there was 12 hours in the "wasted time" bank he had already spent to go pick up the car...
 
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Tesla has showrooms all over the world to offer potential buyers the advanced opportunity to take one of their demo models out for a ride to "see how they handle".

That is all well and good for new Teslas, but there is no way any new Tesla you drive today can replicate the experience of a + suspension. So you are really buying a used car with a leap of faith. Especially since the photos they send may or may not accurately fully describe the condition of the car. It is crazy when buyers show up at delivery to find unknown dents in their cars or denying them the ability to test drive the used car they are buying. It isn’t like the used car industry is some big mystery, somehow many small, medium, and large companies manage to properly refurbish their used cars and let customers test drive them before buying.

I think they will eventually be forced to give up doing used cars themselves and outsource the whole operation. I have heard they have already hired a company to start that process.


Personally, I will never buy another used Tesla directly from Tesla. I bought 2 in the past under the old system, but it is too risky now. I am hoping Carmax ramps up their program to sell used Teslas. They know how to do no-haggle used car buying right IMHO. Took me less than an hour to buy my Tacoma from them and that included the test drive. I picked it out online, had it shipped from Texas, got all my questioned answered before paying to ship the car, then was able to fully inspect and test drive the truck when it arrived at Burbank. Filled out the paperwork, got my keys and was on my way.
 
That is all well and good for new Teslas, but there is no way any new Tesla you drive today can replicate the experience of a + suspension. So you are really buying a used car with a leap of faith. Especially since the photos they send may or may not accurately fully describe the condition of the car. It is crazy when buyers show up at delivery to find unknown dents in their cars or denying them the ability to test drive the used car they are buying. It isn’t like the used car industry is some big mystery, somehow many small, medium, and large companies manage to properly refurbish their used cars and let customers test drive them before buying.

I think they will eventually be forced to give up doing used cars themselves and outsource the whole operation. I have heard they have already hired a company to start that process.


Personally, I will never buy another used Tesla directly from Tesla. I bought 2 in the past under the old system, but it is too risky now. I am hoping Carmax ramps up their program to sell used Teslas. They know how to do no-haggle used car buying right IMHO. Took me less than an hour to buy my Tacoma from them and that included the test drive. I picked it out online, had it shipped from Texas, got all my questioned answered before paying to ship the car, then was able to fully inspect and test drive the truck when it arrived at Burbank. Filled out the paperwork, got my keys and was on my way.

I agree and too just can't understand why Tesla can't figure out a way to sell CPO cars in a fair way.

Wish they would hire someone who knows how to run a profitable CPO program while offering a quality product. Virtually every single car dealer has figured out how to sell CPO cars in a fair way except Tesla.

Their current CPO inventory is probably worth over $120,000,000. This will likely double before long and it is not worth their time and effort to manage this in a reasonable way?
 
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I've seen some ridiculous reasons to reject a delivery but this has to be right up there towards the top... Get over yourself... The car has a warranty, if you have a problem post delivery, Tesla will cover it by the warranty. You grossly overreacted for no real reason and it isn't like this isn't common knowledge... I'm continually blown away by how frequently people make these purchases without researching even the most basic things like how the delivery process works.

Oh and the age comments were wholly unnecessary... It just goes to show you how entitled and petty people are...

Jeff
 
We get a text from ‘Dan’ our delivery specialist, who by the way looks like he’s twelve,..

That's where I stopped reading. I feel sorry for Tesla and Dan having to having to deal with him. Such a low blow -- but I guess it makes the OP feel like a big man, compared to a boy. How dare Tesla hire someone who looks young. Those people should never get jobs!

OP, do you think Dan looks that way on purpose? Trump says the same thing about Kushner. I have a lot of problems with Kushner but his appearance is not one of them. It's the content of his character that concerns me.

How many years ago were we told that is the way to judge people?

I'm sure he's a nice kid. But his customer service left something to be desired.

You insult his appearance, as if it affected the used vehicle you bought, then you say you're sure he's a nice kid? So he's still twelve even after people told you about the unwarranted insult? Instead of realizing your error you double down. I guess it makes you feel big but you look foolish.
 
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None of this changes the fact that Tesla’s policy of not letting you test drive a used car you’re about to purchase is BS. Pretty much everyone agrees the delivery process is totally broken.

Agree. They need to fix the process.

Our experience was not bad. But it left a lot to be desired. And if my husband wasn't with me to settle my nerves there's no way I would have followed though with the purchase. There were so many red flags. But it turned out just fine.* I'm in love with my new car.

We left our kiddo with grandma when we went to take delivery. It definitely would have been WAY more stressful with a kid in tow.
If you try again, I highly recommend leaving the kid(s) with a babysitter so you have less to worry about and can take your time.

Isn't the car under warranty? Any performance or mechanical issues would be dealt with.

One would hope. But there are some horror stories from a few dissatisfied customers. The OP's concerns are valid.

*Well, the sale turned out just fine but I will not be at all surprised if they mess up the registration process. In fact, given the issues we had with paperwork I am expecting some problems with DMV, lol.
 
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Tesla is a different type of car, and their policies are also different.
Just because everybody does it, does not mean that Tesla will also do it. They are changing the world and also the car buying experience.

They do not then allow the potential buyer to take the car out onto city streets for a "test" drive. To many issues to be opened up. Who is responsible for an accident, a curbed wheel. The customer may simply change his mind due to common buyers remorse.

These test rides can easily eat up an extra hour for every delivery. Tesla does not have that luxury currently. They are all about getting the maximum number of cars delivered to buyers. They could get 4 new cars delivered in the time spent doing an extended test drive.

I sympathize with the movement started by Tesla - love the EV experience. But I respectfully disagree with all the above statements.

1. So far the Tesla change in my "car buying experience" for our 3 Tesla purchases was actually overall lukewarm if not frankly poor. Other than the hassle-free price, everything else was either average or subpar. The local delivery center needs a major refresh to look like a place selling luxury cars (yes, I understand these are "normal" cars with a high price for battery and innovation, but this is still luxury price range). And I would like to feel welcome there rather than ignored whenever I show up. As I said before, they are undertrained, understaffed, and overworked. And the concept of a "delivery specialist" in a remote location (Nevada?) is simply idiotic. 3 deliveries = 3 clueless specialists. The guys at the delivery center are way better - and more interested in having a good experience, since their job depends on local customer satisfaction.

2. What issues would come up with an accident? Your insurance covers that - and the insurance is on file with Tesla before you even get to the store. So no need for additional paperwork, just sign when you get the keys - much like when you are given a "loaner". Tesla does that, so why not for new cars?

3. What buyer's remorse are you talking about?
Most of the people had a test drive in a similar model (not that many crazies like us to take a car that we only saw on youtube before); they like it, so they order one. By the time
you pick up the car you either paid it already, or went through the process of securing payment on the day of delivery. This is a hassle for most of us, and shows commitment to purchase; in my experience, remorse happens when you have to get the money not after that. Once you committed the funds, I would imagine there are not many people changing their mind...... If "buyer's remorse" translates into "car has defects that should have been taken care of", then yeah, I guess that could happen. But Tesla needs to fix those anyway, so no incremental cost.

4. What extra time are you talking about for the test drive? It should take 3-5 minutes - the time to give you the key fobs / key cards, have you sign the paper that you take the car and are responsible for it, and show you where the car is. I do not need a car rep to seat in my car (the one I am actually there to pick up) - I actually find that annoying. Once you are off to check your car, the delivery team can deal with whatever other customers they have there.

I love the Tesla cars we had (P85D, LR RWD 3) / have ( performance 3), but unless the refreshed model S looks and feels like a 100k+ car, my Merc will be replaced by a Taycan - at least that is what my deposit with Porsche says.
 
I usually don't comment on these sort of posts, everyone must have their tolerance levels and I must be at the other end of the spectrum from you.

I am also 33yrs old and the most I spent on a car pre-tesla was $17k and had that car for 13yrs.

I bought my 1st tesla 2 years ago off just a few photos and some listed features/milage and my wifes tesla this year. 1st one had 13k miles of warranty left on it so was not too worried. The 2nd one I bought with a couple photos and options/milage and no warranty.

Have loved every second of it. Yes I have had maintenance costs with failed parts but no regrets. The cost of those parts were far less than the inflated Tesla CPO price to cover for warranty. I drive an average of 15k mi/year.
 
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Oh, and the level of entitlement from someone who couldn't afford a new Tesla and had to settle for a used one is... Wow... I deserve to get in trouble for saying that but I felt like I had to stick up for the Tesla employee who the OP so graciously insulted...

Jeff
I don't get when people online or offline act like just as much of a bad person as the person they criticize then try to claim moral high ground under the guise of defending someone. Why can't you express your displeasure without doing similar things that you just claimed isn't cool? Just doesn't make sense to me but we are all different people.
 
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I don't get when people online or offline act like just as much of a bad person as the person they criticize then try to claim moral high ground under the guise of defending someone. Why can't you express your displeasure without doing similar things that you just claimed isn't cool? Just doesn't make sense to me but we are all different people.

Simple answer, because I enjoy it...

Jeff
 
Tesla under their “Ordering a Used Tesla” webpage specifically states Test drives are not available on Used cars. I doubt they want to add more mileage to the cars, risk an accident with a car and deal with the aftermath of it, and given the cars have had a 70-point check and as CPOs are offered with an mileage or multi-year warranty, feel this provides the potential new owner with a certain level of comfort. Tesla has sold many CPOs this way and I’d venture to say the vast majority of owner have been very happy with their car. If you want to test drive a used Tesla, maybe you are a candidate for the private market, but then you won’t get the CPO warranty that Tesla provides.

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Somehow reading your post with Strike 1, 2 and 3 and the fact you said there were things not on the car you wanted, left me with the impression that you really didn’t want this car by the time you got to Fremont. And I thought the comments about your DS were, well, uncalled for in the least. Sounds like he was trying to be friendly and pleasant and maybe you arrived in a bad mood to begin with. My husband looks many years younger than he is and who knows maybe Dan is closer to your 33 than you thought. This really should not have been a factor in this transaction and goes more to your character than Dan’s. Dan and any supervisors pulled into the test drive issue were following Tesla’s published policy on test drives. You were asking them to go beyond what anyone else is availed of and break company policy.
 
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Tesla used to do things the way OP wanted. They would take in a used Tesla on trade, and go completely over the car to provide a good as new CPO experience. If the leather was scratched, they would put in a whole new seat. If the carpet had a tiny cigarette burn they would replace the carpet with new. Usually new tires and sometimes new wheels would be installed. Motors would be replaced, suspension rubber replaced and the entire car buffed out and polished. Many posted that it was foolish to buy a new car, when the CPO's were so well prepped for sale.

End result...the bean counters found out Tesla was loosing their shirts. It was much less expensive to simply build a new car than to spend all that much time and money to bring the trade in into brand new condition.

This resulted in the new policy. They take in a trade in, give it a good mechanical and safety check and sell it as a pre-owned or used car. They discount the price to reflect the condition of the vehicle. One needing lots of work will be discounted much more than a pristine example.

Most buyers scour the for sale lists, looking for the lowest prices. Often the bargain ones have more issues than the higher priced ones.

Had similar issues when I rode Harleys. Everybody wanted to test drive the bikes before they committed, but few owners wanted someone they did not know drive around on their bies.

A way around this would be to purchase your used/pre-owned Tesla from private owners. Most of them will be happy to give you a test ride. Some with them driving and others may let potential buyers drive themselves. Might even save you some $.
 
Tesla used to do things the way OP wanted. They would take in a used Tesla on trade, and go completely over the car to provide a good as new CPO experience. If the leather was scratched, they would put in a whole new seat. If the carpet had a tiny cigarette burn they would replace the carpet with new. Usually new tires and sometimes new wheels would be installed. Motors would be replaced, suspension rubber replaced and the entire car buffed out and polished. Many posted that it was foolish to buy a new car, when the CPO's were so well prepped for sale.

End result...the bean counters found out Tesla was loosing their shirts. It was much less expensive to simply build a new car than to spend all that much time and money to bring the trade in into brand new condition.

This resulted in the new policy. They take in a trade in, give it a good mechanical and safety check and sell it as a pre-owned or used car. They discount the price to reflect the condition of the vehicle. One needing lots of work will be discounted much more than a pristine example.

Most buyers scour the for sale lists, looking for the lowest prices. Often the bargain ones have more issues than the higher priced ones.

Had similar issues when I rode Harleys. Everybody wanted to test drive the bikes before they committed, but few owners wanted someone they did not know drive around on their bies.

A way around this would be to purchase your used/pre-owned Tesla from private owners. Most of them will be happy to give you a test ride. Some with them driving and others may let potential buyers drive themselves. Might even save you some $.

I don't buy the argument that for some mythical reason, Tesla is the only carmaker on this planet who can't make a profit selling quality used cars. Every car dealer from a lowly Kia dealer to a Porsche dealer makes a profit selling quality used cars that are not trashed while offering full transparency in what it is that they are selling with photos, comprehensive details, service history, personal inspection, as well as a test drive of the used vehicle before purchase.

Somehow all these reasonable things car dealers do every day to offer a fair and reasonable car buying experience is beyond Tesla??? :rolleyes:
 
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