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So I am a long time Tesla admirer but I just tried buying a lightly used Model S this weekend. I started working with the sales advisor on Tuesday and she found me a car and I put my deposit down with trepidation because I have never purchased a used car sight unseen before. I doubt many people in my shoes ever have done the same. But nevertheless, I was excited to be the owner of a Tesla. I expressed my fears to the sales advisor at the time, and her answer was the “thousands of people have purchased their car this way.” So I just went with it. The MS was in Fremont. I told them the only day I could come up to pick it up was yesterday. They pulled some strings and made it possible. I was stoked.

I woke up yesterday morning and whisked my family into the X5 to make the six hour drive to Fremont. Driving to Fremont with a four-year old for six hours isn’t pleasant by the way. When I get there it was all smiles. I checked in and waited for a delivery specialist to become available. We waited for a while and my wife gets up and asks if there’s any way we can inspect the car while we wait. The person at the front desk looks at her dumbly and says, “we thought you’d be doing that already.” Strike one.

We go take a look at the car. It looks in decent shape. It was raining and I couldn’t see the paint very clearly. What I did see was a dent in the nose come about an inch by two inches that I did not see in the pictures that were sent over. It’s not desireabld but I could live with it. Still strike two.

We get into the car and start messing around with the settings and getting familiar with the user interface. We get a text from ‘Dan’ our delivery specialist, who by the way looks like he’s twelve, to come inside to meet him but we were already in the parking lot. He comes out to meet us at the car. His first main sentence after introductions was along the lines of, “I have this car too and I love it and you’re going to love it too.” I start thinking in my head that ‘great a prepubescent boy has a car that I’ve wanted for the last six years... awesome.’ Nothing against his age but definitely know your audience before speaking. We start looking through the car again and I said, “great, let’s take her for a spin to verify how she handles.” This is where things go south. Up until this point, no one had told me that there were no test drives on the vehicles at the delivery center. I had no reason to research this because it is common sense to want to drive a vehicle before you purchase it to make sure it handles like it should. Obviously his answer was, “oh we don’t do that here.” This was strike three.

What I planned my first post to be on this forum was one of joy to finally be a Model S owner has turned into one of sorrow and anger. They tried to find a middle ground and let me drive it within their parking lot, which for some might be sufficient, but honestly it was adding insult to injury. How can you open the car up at speed when there are speed bumps every 200 feet? How do you hear squeaks and rattles?

Supervisors were called at both the delivery center and with my sales advisor that was based in San Diego. No supervisor ever bothered to approach me directly. My delivery specialist seemed uninterested and unphased by my concerns. My sales advisor feverishly tried telling me that she told me there were no test drives. (I checked my emails and nope nothing mentioned about this)

I walked away from delivery. And I am bitter. I am angry. Even though the car was missing the two features that I wanted, I was willing to accept the delivery if I was able to drive it to verify that it handled correctly. I don’t think that was too much to ask. Had I been given five minutes of time with the car on the road, it would be sitting in my driveway right now. But due to sales advisor incompetence, my expectations were not managed and now I think Tesla was trying to hide something from me about not only that vehicle, but ALL of their used vehicles.

In my 33 years of life, I have purchased probably 15 brand new vehicles. I am not new to spending money on cars or the sales process. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect to drive the car you are wanting to drive for the next couple of years as a daily driver before you sign your name to take it off the lot, especially with the amount of money at stake. I held Tesla on a pedestal for many years. They were my halo brand. But you know what? Their customer service leaves something to be desired.
 
So I am a long time Tesla admirer but I just tried buying a lightly used Model S this weekend. I started working with the sales advisor on Tuesday and she found me a car and I put my deposit down with trepidation because I have never purchased a used car sight unseen before. I doubt many people in my shoes ever have done the same. But nevertheless, I was excited to be the owner of a Tesla. I expressed my fears to the sales advisor at the time, and her answer was the “thousands of people have purchased their car this way.” So I just went with it. The MS was in Fremont. I told them the only day I could come up to pick it up was yesterday. They pulled some strings and made it possible. I was stoked.

I woke up yesterday morning and whisked my family into the X5 to make the six hour drive to Fremont. Driving to Fremont with a four-year old for six hours isn’t pleasant by the way. When I get there it was all smiles. I checked in and waited for a delivery specialist to become available. We waited for a while and my wife gets up and asks if there’s any way we can inspect the car while we wait. The person at the front desk looks at her dumbly and says, “we thought you’d be doing that already.” Strike one.

We go take a look at the car. It looks in decent shape. It was raining and I couldn’t see the paint very clearly. What I did see was a dent in the nose come about an inch by two inches that I did not see in the pictures that were sent over. It’s not desireabld but I could live with it. Still strike two.

We get into the car and start messing around with the settings and getting familiar with the user interface. We get a text from ‘Dan’ our delivery specialist, who by the way looks like he’s twelve, to come inside to meet him but we were already in the parking lot. He comes out to meet us at the car. His first main sentence after introductions was along the lines of, “I have this car too and I love it and you’re going to love it too.” I start thinking in my head that ‘great a prepubescent boy has a car that I’ve wanted for the last six years... awesome.’ Nothing against his age but definitely know your audience before speaking. We start looking through the car again and I said, “great, let’s take her for a spin to verify how she handles.” This is where things go south. Up until this point, no one had told me that there were no test drives on the vehicles at the delivery center. I had no reason to research this because it is common sense to want to drive a vehicle before you purchase it to make sure it handles like it should. Obviously his answer was, “oh we don’t do that here.” This was strike three.

What I planned my first post to be on this forum was one of joy to finally be a Model S owner has turned into one of sorrow and anger. They tried to find a middle ground and let me drive it within their parking lot, which for some might be sufficient, but honestly it was adding insult to injury. How can you open the car up at speed when there are speed bumps every 200 feet? How do you hear squeaks and rattles?

Supervisors were called at both the delivery center and with my sales advisor that was based in San Diego. No supervisor ever bothered to approach me directly. My delivery specialist seemed uninterested and unphased by my concerns. My sales advisor feverishly tried telling me that she told me there were no test drives. (I checked my emails and nope nothing mentioned about this)

I walked away from delivery. And I am bitter. I am angry. Even though the car was missing the two features that I wanted, I was willing to accept the delivery if I was able to drive it to verify that it handled correctly. I don’t think that was too much to ask. Had I been given five minutes of time with the car on the road, it would be sitting in my driveway right now. But due to sales advisor incompetence, my expectations were not managed and now I think Tesla was trying to hide something from me about not only that vehicle, but ALL of their used vehicles.

In my 33 years of life, I have purchased probably 15 brand new vehicles. I am not new to spending money on cars or the sales process. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect to drive the car you are wanting to drive for the next couple of years as a daily driver before you sign your name to take it off the lot, especially with the amount of money at stake. I held Tesla on a pedestal for many years. They were my halo brand. But you know what? Their customer service leaves something to be desired.

Yeah, am sorry and unhappy that this did not work for you, but why are you ripping on Dan cause he looks like he is twelve? And then taking additional umbrage because he revealed that he owns the car?
 
Yeah, am sorry and unhappy that this did not work for you, but why are you ripping on Dan cause he looks like he is twelve? And then taking additional umbrage because he revealed that he owns the car?

100% agree comments had no merit whatsoever ...this post in general has no value ..had OP provided some suggestions to future buyers of a used Tesla that have not already been mentioned in numerous posts I would be sympathetic to his issue but knocking a DS who had nothing’s to do with OPs planning or lack of on purchasing a used vehicle is uncalled for
 
Isn't the car under warranty? Any performance or mechanical issues would be dealt with. What you are looking for is cosmetic issues that you could not see in photos, or that obviously occurred AFTER your photos were taken.

Sorry you didn't want the car. I think you should have realized that before purchasing, rather than putting everyone through all the trouble after the fact. Seems like you were hunting for reasons to bail.
 
None of this changes the fact that Tesla’s policy of not letting you test drive a used car you’re about to purchase is BS. Pretty much everyone agrees the delivery process is totally broken.
Tesla not telling a buyer that a test drive is not possible is a problem.

In my opinion, not being able to test drive is not a problem for a Tesla still under warranty. It is perhaps going to make a noise or handle poorly or such -- all of which would be fixed.
 
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Tesla not telling a buyer that a test drive is not possible is a problem.

In my opinion, not being able to test drive is not a problem for a Tesla still under warranty. It is perhaps going to make a noise or handle poorly or such -- all of which would be fixed.

It may all be fixed eventually, but when I spend my money, I expect things to work correctly out of the box. What it boils down to is that my expectations were not managed, and I was not prepared for the experience. I did not do the research because... why would I? Everywhere else allows you to drive the car prior to signing the dotted line. And I know in Dan's mind, he was probably trying to level with me. But, I am not a friend. I am a customer. I expect a certain level of professionalism when it comes to buying and selling vehicles. I'm pretty irritated at this entire situation, but I was not comfortable in buying a pre-owned car that I had not driven on the street. My butt would not be the first butt in that seat, and quite frankly I disagree with not being able to test drive not being a problem. I have a manufacturing background. Every car is going to drive different because of manufacturing variations. It's why you have different body panel gaps on the earlier models. That's a manufacturing variation with insufficient tooling to align the panels. Imperceptible to some... but perceptible to some as well.

Call this peace of mind on my end. That being said, had I been given five minutes on the road, I would have taken it. This is a principle thing. Or perhaps if my expectations were managed better, or even perhaps if they told me, "hey you have fifteen minutes to drive it after we sign the paperwork to come back and cancel if something is egregiously wrong." it would have been a different story. But no manager came to me to talk me off the proverbial cliff. To me, that spoke volumes of the customer service of what I would be receiving when I got back to LA. It's just not right. You are right. The process is broken. I just expected more from Tesla - the company I have idolized for years.
 
Yeah, am sorry and unhappy that this did not work for you, but why are you ripping on Dan cause he looks like he is twelve? And then taking additional umbrage because he revealed that he owns the car?

You know what... Probably shouldn't have said that about him. My apologies to him. I'm probably just super bitter because what was supposed to be my exciting and happy day had been shot. I'm sorry it didn't work out either.
 
It may all be fixed eventually, but when I spend my money, I expect things to work correctly out of the box. What it boils down to is that my expectations were not managed, and I was not prepared for the experience. I did not do the research because... why would I? Everywhere else allows you to drive the car prior to signing the dotted line. And I know in Dan's mind, he was probably trying to level with me. But, I am not a friend. I am a customer. I expect a certain level of professionalism when it comes to buying and selling vehicles. I'm pretty irritated at this entire situation, but I was not comfortable in buying a pre-owned car that I had not driven on the street. My butt would not be the first butt in that seat, and quite frankly I disagree with not being able to test drive not being a problem. I have a manufacturing background. Every car is going to drive different because of manufacturing variations. It's why you have different body panel gaps on the earlier models. That's a manufacturing variation with insufficient tooling to align the panels. Imperceptible to some... but perceptible to some as well.

Call this peace of mind on my end. That being said, had I been given five minutes on the road, I would have taken it. This is a principle thing. Or perhaps if my expectations were managed better, or even perhaps if they told me, "hey you have fifteen minutes to drive it after we sign the paperwork to come back and cancel if something is egregiously wrong." it would have been a different story. But no manager came to me to talk me off the proverbial cliff. To me, that spoke volumes of the customer service of what I would be receiving when I got back to LA. It's just not right. You are right. The process is broken. I just expected more from Tesla - the company I have idolized for years.
I think you had a series of events that made the situation untenable for you. Definitely the process is broken. I don't disagree with that, although whether it is a company-wide "process" failure, or just this circumstance or location or person, I don't know. I know Tesla sells thousands of used cars, and we get tens of complaints on TMC about the process -- whatever that indicates, if anything.

I don't agree about manufacturing differences being an issue for a Tesla used car under warranty. There just are not the issues, nor the possibility of issues that you have with an ICE. With an ICE, you have no idea if the previous owner changed the oil, or even had oil in the engine. There are a thousand things to go wrong in an ICE that just don't exist in an EV. The odds of you finding something wrong in a test drive is likely very close to zero. The odds of finding something wrong that would not be fixed under warranty is even lower.
 
Isn't the car under warranty? Any performance or mechanical issues would be dealt with.


There is also ride quality. Tesla has several iterations of suspensions that are no longer available on their new cars and there is no way to test drive one currently if you want to buy a used one from Tesla. This is really an issue with the early P85Ds which had a significantly stiffer suspension through about May of 2015 then was changed. You can test drive new Teslas all day long and they are nothing like that early P85D. There are also the old coils and the + suspension cars.

We bought one of those cars. It was a leap of faith, and the only reason we took it was because I happened to get one as a loaner for a while. So we did get to ride in one and knew we wanted it. But if you aren’t expecting that stiff ride, you may be very disappointed and there won’t be anything Tesla can do to fix it. And it is all tribal knowledge that those cars exist. Sales folks don’t even know about that config. based on our purchase experience.
 
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I think you had a series of events that made the situation untenable for you. Definitely the process is broken. I don't disagree with that, although whether it is a company-wide "process" failure, or just this circumstance or location or person, I don't know. I know Tesla sells thousands of used cars, and we get tens of complaints on TMC about the process -- whatever that indicates, if anything.

I don't agree about manufacturing differences being an issue for a Tesla used car under warranty. There just are not the issues, nor the possibility of issues that you have with an ICE. With an ICE, you have no idea if the previous owner changed the oil, or even had oil in the engine. There are a thousand things to go wrong in an ICE that just don't exist in an EV. The odds of you finding something wrong in a test drive is likely very close to zero. The odds of finding something wrong that would not be fixed under warranty is even lower.

I don't disagree that the cost of ownership theoretically should be lower with the reduction in parts. I just wanted to feel comfortable with the process when I am going to be paying on a car for the next six years. It doesn't matter how much I will save if the theory doesn't match reality because reality could be that I could be spending more money on operation. And to be honest with you, I think I will continue to look for a used Model S. I just want to think that this experience is an outlier. Again, had I been more familiar with this process or brought up to speed by my sales advisor, (and hadn't had to drive for six hours because Tesla refused to offer delivery as an option), I probably would have just agreed and signed my life away. You're right about the series of events compounding thus making me reach the conclusion that I did. It's just unfortunate that this turned out the way it did. I want to believe that Tesla service is better than this.
 
This is the one think that I do not like about Tesla - the inability to test drive the car - new or used. We were able to test all cars we ever leased or purchased - new or used. I would agree with the no drive policy should you have a return window with no questions asked. But as far as I know, this only applies if you have the car delivered to you, which is not a choice but rather a unilateral decision by Tesla.

We are on the third Tesla and so far we were lucky (no major issue). But I can sympathize with those who found problems post-delivery that otherwise would be picked on a test drive. I think is all about high demand; once EVs become ubiquitous, I doubt the Tesla model can survive.

I also fail to understand the rationale of the policy - Tesla will spend the money fixing vehicles either way while under warranty. Why not let the customer be satisfied? It costs nothing - they already have the info of your driving license and insurance by the time you show up to pick up the car. Why not let you drive around - you do not need a delivery staff to join, just like I did not need one at the countless test drives with all car brands.
 
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Tesla is a different type of car, and their policies are also different.
Just because everybody does it, does not mean that Tesla will also do it. They are changing the world and also the car buying experience.

For used cars they usually send a whole bunch of photos and descriptions. They also set a price. If you agree that this is the car for you, they will arrange for it to be processed and delivered to a location for your pick-up.

At that point they pretty much consider the deal to be done. Just need to do a final inspection and present the car to the customer.

They do not then allow the potential buyer to take the car out onto city streets for a "test" drive. To many issues to be opened up. Who is responsible for an accident, a curbed wheel. The customer may simply change his mind due to common buyers remorse. The buyer may not like the way it rides, the suspension it has, the way the vents work, the condition of the back seat, or so many many other fine details of the car. Too many will simply want to "test drive" a car on a quiet day.

This has been the Tesla philosophy since day one. Buyers of brand new cars are treated the same way. Order your car and pick it up when ready...not out on the open streets test rides.

These test rides can easily eat up an extra hour for every delivery. Tesla does not have that luxury currently. They are all about getting the maximum number of cars delivered to buyers. They could get 4 new cars delivered in the time spent doing an extended test drive. The next guy waiting to pick up his car will be furious if they are delayed an extra hour because the guy before him wanted to take an extended test drive.

I understand this policy is not great for the buyer, and some will shop elseware for their personal transportation needs, but they simply do not have the capabilites to provide the buyer and his entire family a long, drawn out buying experience.

Tesla has showrooms all over the world to offer potential buyers the advanced opportunity to take one of their demo models out for a ride to "see how they handle". These represent what the buyer can expect from their own cars. Tesla is not equipped to have every buyer analysis the specific car they have ordered to discover what specific and unique manufacturing variances that a hyper analyitical buyer might discover. The cars are mass produced to specifications and the variations are going to be there in every car.

If your acceptance of that used car was dependent on a test drive, you should have discussed that with your delivery specialist prior to ordering.

Making a last minute demand to drive the used car on city streets as a condition of acceptance just wastes your and Tesla's time.

I have to imagine that is was an unpleasant drive back home to San Diego, to say the least.
 
Tesla is a different type of car, and their policies are also different.
Just because everybody does it, does not mean that Tesla will also do it. They are changing the world and also the car buying experience.

For used cars they usually send a whole bunch of photos and descriptions. They also set a price. If you agree that this is the car for you, they will arrange for it to be processed and delivered to a location for your pick-up.

At that point they pretty much consider the deal to be done. Just need to do a final inspection and present the car to the customer.

They do not then allow the potential buyer to take the car out onto city streets for a "test" drive. To many issues to be opened up. Who is responsible for an accident, a curbed wheel. The customer may simply change his mind due to common buyers remorse. The buyer may not like the way it rides, the suspension it has, the way the vents work, the condition of the back seat, or so many many other fine details of the car. Too many will simply want to "test drive" a car on a quiet day.

This has been the Tesla philosophy since day one. Buyers of brand new cars are treated the same way. Order your car and pick it up when ready...not out on the open streets test rides.

These test rides can easily eat up an extra hour for every delivery. Tesla does not have that luxury currently. They are all about getting the maximum number of cars delivered to buyers. They could get 4 new cars delivered in the time spent doing an extended test drive. The next guy waiting to pick up his car will be furious if they are delayed an extra hour because the guy before him wanted to take an extended test drive.

I understand this policy is not great for the buyer, and some will shop elseware for their personal transportation needs, but they simply do not have the capabilites to provide the buyer and his entire family a long, drawn out buying experience.

Tesla has showrooms all over the world to offer potential buyers the advanced opportunity to take one of their demo models out for a ride to "see how they handle". These represent what the buyer can expect from their own cars. Tesla is not equipped to have every buyer analysis the specific car they have ordered to discover what specific and unique manufacturing variances that a hyper analyitical buyer might discover. The cars are mass produced to specifications and the variations are going to be there in every car.

If your acceptance of that used car was dependent on a test drive, you should have discussed that with your delivery specialist prior to ordering.

Making a last minute demand to drive the used car on city streets as a condition of acceptance just wastes your and Tesla's time.

I have to imagine that is was an unpleasant drive back home to San Diego, to say the least.

I don’t see my requirement to test drive a used vehicle as unreasonable. I don’t think the majority of the general public that Tesla is currently aiming for would disagree. Part of the inspection process if the ride quality inspection, which you cannot do while stationary. That being said, Tesla is entitled to do business however they please. But when something like a test drive and not giving one to your buyers is such a radical departure from the industry norm, it needs to be clearly stated up front. Not buried in the FAQs where someone like me wouldn’t bother searching for because he trusted the company and the process. Think about how much time it wasted me? And my family? And my resources? Tesla can outspend me any day of the week any second of the day. Had I known there was no verification test drive, I would not have plopped that deposit down for that unit.
 
Tesla has a different policy in place for new cars. If you had a demo prior to ordering, you take the car as is, when delivered.
If you have not had a demo, you get 3 days to return the car if un-acceptable.
With used cars, you get pictures and a description, as well as an up close personal inspection inside and out, including instructions on controls and charging prodeedures. Now test riding allowed.
You can take the car as delivered. If you notice something amiss, you will get it noted on a due bill to be corrected after delivery at a service station near you, or if possible by a ranger service to your house or place of business.

I agree, that a test drive is considered reasonable by many buyers, but it is not the policy of Tesla to provide.

Hope you will be able to resolve this issue with Tesla if you change your mind in the future. The cars are really quite remarkable.
 
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"“I have this car too and I love it and you’re going to love it too.” I start thinking in my head that ‘great a prepubescent boy has a car that I’ve wanted for the last six years... awesome.’ Nothing against his age but definitely know your audience before speaking."

I totally lost any respect I had for you when I read your gratuitous insults towards the delivery advisor that were dished out to him just because he looked young. If we had a Tesla delivery and a young looking delivery advisor told me he had the same car, I would have congratulated him on doing so well in life or being in a fortunate place in life.

Know your audience before speaking? I think the same applies to you and your post on this forum :rolleyes:

Here's a bit of advice for you when complaining. Remove everything subjective and judgemental about your experience and post what you found factually to be unreasonable. If you posted the following I bet you'd have more sympathy here

I wanted a Tesla all my life so I drive 6 hours to pick up my car and I was so disappointed when they told me that I could not test drive the car before delivery.
Since you are buying a USED Tesla, I would agree with you wholeheartedly that is an awful policy to not allow a test drive because the car could very well have significant issues based on how it was previously used.

As much as I don't condone your attitude I also don't see any fairness in Tesla's policy of not allowing test driving of used cars before purchase. This is especially so after they removed fixing squeaks and rattles from the CPO warranty. So what are you supposed to do if after you buy the car you find out it rattles and squeaks but you could not test drive the car beforehand?

Tesla really needs to rethink how they sell these cars and do the right thing by being reasonable. Allowing a test drive of a used car before purchase is the reasonable and fair thing to do.
 
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