I have the MYP (2023). Wife has the 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL. I drive her car a lot. Obviously when we are together. On my own, the MYP. The Ioniq 5 is a fine car. But I much prefer my MYP. The interface and tech is one major reason. Also, how it drives. Much sportier than Ioniq 5, which does have a smoother suspension, and smoother drive, but very dull to me. And of course they both have instant acceleration and torque being dual motor EVs. And the Hyundai infotainment and tech is ancient, traditional car like stuff (not surprisingly). My wife and I are happy with our arrangement. Works for us. She only drove my Tesla twice. She finds it overwhelming. I am OK with this, I don’t want to over impose and overwhelm her. All good
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Occhis
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As in comparable models that are in the same price range. Not M3 vs Porsche. I expect the Porsche will be an overall better car. Kinda like Camry vs Accord. I think you get the idea.
jbeezely4051
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Comparable priced cars? Yeah I guess Tesla has that edge…for now. But everyone is catching up and quite honestly, are better at car making than Tesla.
Price aside, I think I agree with Edmund’s, Motor trend, and car driver magazine. That Porsche Taycan is fking sick.
Price aside, I think I agree with Edmund’s, Motor trend, and car driver magazine. That Porsche Taycan is fking sick.
I drive a Kona EV.
It has configurable regen.
It has no adaptive cruise so the cruise control always works (and it's very good at holding speeds up and down hills, so I use it a lot).
The above are why I'll never buy a Tesla. (Having service centers within reasonable distance is an advantage as well, but I think Tesla's nearest being 200 miles away wouldn't stop me. It should get a bit better with Londonderry, NH.)
The 2nd is why I'm not getting another HyunKia, because they have ACC with no dumb cruise option.
Dials for temperature and fan, and buttons for various heating settings. Combined with steering wheel controls I don't have to use the touchscreen while driving, other than limited taps in Android Auto if navigating.
I can open the glove box with a handle on the glove box.
But it is weak in some key EV ways:
Slow DCFC. Not Bolt slow at least.
CCS, and NACS adapters won't be available until 2025Q1 at the earliest. (CCS has been OK for me, but V3 Supercharger access would have helped at times).
The app doesn't allow you to adjust the max charge percentage.
... and in the car you have to turn it on, wait for it finish linking to Bluetooth, hit EV, tap on charge limits, max %, and then adjust, which is clunky.
No heat pump (USA).
No preconditioning of the battery for DCFC unless you have the limited battery heating setting on, which would waste energy in the cold most of the time.
Charge port is front driver's side, adding a bit of time for me when home charging.
No help with charge planning on long journeys. I have to use ABRP.
(Also, nearest charger display is useless as it includes places you can't charge)
fholbert
Active Member
I’m not in the market right now, but next time I’ll be looking at the the Hyundai Ioniq *. Other than the charging infrastructure sounds like it’s heads and shoulders above Tesla.
I charge at home, the charging infrastructure isn’t that important to me.
zoomer0056
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I wouldn't say the I5 is head and shoulders better...if at all. I think my Tesla has been more reliable than my EV6 and the software is generations ahead. If we had to choose the Kia or the Tesla equivalents, my wife and I would both choose the Tesla.
Maybe the used Bolt's are not worth much for resale, but my friend who has one of the early vintage models like yours was ecstatic to get a brand-new battery last year due to the recall - so more than satisfied to keep using it for years to come on his commute (which is what he's always done with it...)I've switched to EV since 2016-owned Leaf and now own 2017 Bolt & 2023 MY (MY was traded in with 2020 MY which was traded in for 2018 M3). I tell people EV means 3 factors: battery, OTA software update & charging station. Bolt was bought while back when my son was in college-it lost so much value-so keep it as commute car. When you say Tesla has no challenge-they'll call you fanboy.
We have a ‘23 MYP and just took delivery of a ‘23 Ford Lightning XLT ER. The current incentives on the Ford made it a real bargain. It’s really smooth, quiet, and comfortable. And we can use the Tesla charging network now too, although we always charge at home (solar panels). The Tesla is certainly more efficient, but the Ford is really nice to drive. And as the president said, “this sucker’s really quick!”
Just watched a portion of the out of spec video race between two F150 Lightnings. Don't run it down to really low state of charge. They got stranded with 2 miles left on the range indicator.
I would avoid that situation with any EV. Or any ICE vehicle for that matter.
Teslas have been known to work below 0. I’ve flirted with 0 before and it worked.
You can turn it off but never go back to radar autopilot, I found it much more reliable and stress free.
Or u might miss Tesla once u get another ev, Tesla did open up its tech for other car manufacturers to copy—that says a lot.
gx9901
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Odd take by the OP. I feel like just about any EV is superior to most ICE cars as daily transportation, so in that sense I feel like very few EVs actually suck. I love my MYP but other EVs have a lot of good points as well.
My EV experience is limited to my own family:
-Wife's Volvo C40: Drivetrain smoothness is on par with Tesla with better ride and slightly quieter. Low range but enough for our use case. Fairly classis Volvo interior design.
-Mom's fat etron: Pretty luxurious with nice air suspension and super quiet inside. Smooth EV drivetrain. Even less range than the Volvo but my mom didn't need much. I don't like the Audi MMI system though. Got t-boned and totaled last year, but protected my mom very well.
My mom just ordered a BMW iX50 after I took her test driving a few non-Tesla EVs over the weekend (she had been out of the country for several months right after the etron was gone). It should be a great car and I look forward to some seat time in it from time to time.
My EV experience is limited to my own family:
-Wife's Volvo C40: Drivetrain smoothness is on par with Tesla with better ride and slightly quieter. Low range but enough for our use case. Fairly classis Volvo interior design.
-Mom's fat etron: Pretty luxurious with nice air suspension and super quiet inside. Smooth EV drivetrain. Even less range than the Volvo but my mom didn't need much. I don't like the Audi MMI system though. Got t-boned and totaled last year, but protected my mom very well.
My mom just ordered a BMW iX50 after I took her test driving a few non-Tesla EVs over the weekend (she had been out of the country for several months right after the etron was gone). It should be a great car and I look forward to some seat time in it from time to time.
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