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Our business model is simply. We generate revenue from Forum Owner to upgrade to our Premium Tier plan, where they can have their own branded app, keep all their ads revenue. We also have advertisement to help smaller forums that don't have the energy to sell their ads. Forum owner can turn off advertising or replace it with their own.
winter, one of the creators of Tapatalk has given the definitive answer a couple of pages back. Read the paragraph above. My take: if TMC doesn't pay Tapatalk for the Premium Tier Plan then no ad revenue will result for TMC for those browsing through Tapatalk, but instead Tapatalk will present the user with the forum minus TMC ads but plus Tapatalk's own ads (remember how the second "topic" was always an ad?
In the olden days Tapatalk made money from users upgrading to the premium version. Now they make money from the forum owners.
So I understand and respect Danny and Doug's decision.
but plus Tapatalk's own ads
For those that may be interested, we've added support for push notifications via Pushbullet: New Forum Design
I haven't been able to read this whole thread, but seriously guys. Some of you need to get a grip. Ask most forum admins and they dislike using tapatalk. It's been a pain for sooo many reasons and so many little things over the years I'm very happy to no longer have it installed.
Main reason for me is security. We've had incidents where info that was supposed to be restricted to a certain group was exposed to unintended parties. One particular incident we had a troll reported in the private moderator forum. (The mod forum is where we get reports and discuss how to handle whatever particular situation.) A moderator quoted the troll and it turned out tapatalk was giving that person notifications about what was supposed to be a private thread. Yeah, no thanks. Now we are spending a lot of time building out the Groups functionally (a work in progress) particularly for private groups, where we have a whole new layer of user permissions. I have no idea if tapatalk is going to deal with that correctly. I don't intend to risk it and add to the complexity. That and other custom features are not supported by tapatalk.
Here are a few other issues off the top of my head:
I could go on, but most things require more explanation than I'm willing to spend the time typing out here.
- Certain user registration controls we had were bypassed by those registering via tapatalk, allowing in spammers.
- New TMC is full SSL. You can login from public wifi and be reasonably sure that your password isn't getting stolen. Tapatalk sends passwords out in the open. No support for 2-factor.
- A couple incidents of racy photos showing up on TMC in tapatalk that aren't actually on our site. Never got a proper explanation.
- Putting in ads that look like normal threads (except obviously completely off topic). Something I didn't explicitly agree to.
- Opting us into other various things we never agreed to.
- Poor/slow support response, particularly for bug fixes.
- Annoying pop up on mobile devices telling users to install tapatalk. I had to hack their code each time I did an upgrade to remove that.
- It's a bad security in general to give access to a third party if you can avoid it.
Bottom line, I have no plan to install Tapatalk on our current system. Current TMC has responsive design that most people have no problem using on mobile. I find it quite enjoyable actually. We will work on our own mobile app, but it's not the highest priority. Only thing really missing was push notifications, and Pushbullet does a good job with that.
TMC really has been a labor of love for the past 10 years and we're spending a lot of time trying to sure up its foundation to endure another decade. We have to prioritize and you can't please everyone.
I understand that many of you reading this thread prefered using Tapatalk. I apologize that we will no longer be supporting that platform, and I appreciate your understanding.
If I were Doug, I would throw the challenge at Tapatalk and work with them to eliminate the 3 or 4 top security concerns and go from there. From what we heard from @winter it sure seems there is willingness work from the Tapatalk side.
Making a final decision of not supporting seems extreme.
If there is a will, there is a way.
If I were Doug, I would throw the challenge at Tapatalk and work with them to eliminate the 3 or 4 top security concerns and go from there. From what we heard from @winter it sure seems there is willingness work from the Tapatalk side.
Making a final decision of not supporting seems extreme.
If there is a will, there is a way.
I agree with this. Maybe not right away or wait until everything else Doug+Danny is doing for the forum and community stabalizes-- but maybe down the road? Perhaps the TaT guys already fixed those holes? Also, perhaps it was a security hole in vBulletin, and not TaT?
Also, thanks Doug for a response. A lot better then being in the dark.
Thanks for setting things straight. Too bad people are still not getting a grip. Ugh....Some of you need to get a grip. Ask most forum admins and they dislike using tapatalk. It's been a pain for sooo many reasons and so many little things over the years I'm very happy to no longer have it installed...
Thanks for setting things straight. Too bad people are still not getting a grip. Ugh.
I support your decision 100% and I'm glad you're willing to stick with it. The people complaining don't get it because they've never been in your shoes (I have, and my largest oldest forum is 15 years old now).
Responsive design really is the "holy grail" when it comes to sites. It allows you to code one version of the site and the user's screen size is accommodated no matter how small or big. In the long run the recent big changes lately will all pay off, big time.