Lots of new data at supercharge.info

[Acps110]

Some interesting questions as we try to get this right on supercharge.info:

Are we aware of anyone who has tried charging a non-Tesla (CCS) vehicle at a MagicDock location using their own NACS-CCS adapter? (A quick search of TMC didn't uncover anything but I could certainly be missing it.)

Or, said differently (but likely harder to answer right now), once non-Tesla vehicles start delivery with NACS ports built in, will they be able to charge at a MagicDock location?

Even Tesla's own Find Us map is a bit unclear on this front. For example, look at Brewster NY. The description says "This Supercharger is Open to Tesla and Other EVs with CCS compatibility" -- NACS vehicles are CCS-compatible, as you noted earlier, but if I filter Find Us on only "Superchargers Open to NACS" the pin for Brewster NY disappears.

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All MagicDock locations speak CCS. NACS DC fast charging uses the CCS protocol. So a non-Tesla with a native J3400 NACS port would just pull up to a MagicDock location and plug in without using the adapter and it will charge.

When other manufacturers start adding Superchargers to their on-board navigation, they will add both MagicDock locations and NACS-upgraded locations. From a user’s perspective, MagicDock and NACS locations are functionally identical.

The opposite scenario, when a Tesla pulls up to a Chargepoint or Electrify America DC fast charger with NACS cables, will be dependent on if that Tesla has been upgraded to speak CCS. If it hasn’t, they won’t be able to charge.

 

[Rocky_H]

All MagicDock locations speak CCS. NACS DC fast charging uses the CCS protocol. So a non-Tesla with a native J3400 NACS port would just pull up to a MagicDock location and plug in without using the adapter and it will charge.

For the vast majority of brands, yes. I think the muddy part is with someone like Stellantis.

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All of the things you are saying are checking the boxes for physical and software compatibility. But with Stellantis, they haven't made an agreement to get owners of their cars permission to use the network that Tesla owns. That's the thing that's a little fuzzy about how to list it. The compatibility should be there, but maybe not the authorization.

 

[Acps110]

For the vast majority of brands, yes. I think the muddy part is with someone like Stellantis.

Stellantis finally adopt NACS, but there's no deal with Tesla

Stellantis has finally announced that it is joining everyone else in adopting the NACS for its upcoming electric vehicles in...

electrek.co

All of the things you are saying are checking the boxes for physical and software compatibility. But with Stellantis, they haven't made an agreement to get owners of their cars permission to use the network that Tesla owns. That's the thing that's a little fuzzy about how to list it. The compatibility should be there, but maybe not the authorization.

Yes, but any EV that speaks CCS can use a MagicDock location. Just create an account in the Tesla app and plug in. So a Stellantis EV could charge at a MagicDock location without any permission needed. A Stellantis EV at a NACS upgraded location on the other hand, would need permission.

 

[paulkva]

Thanks again to everyone who posted feedback here. The latest supercharge.info release is out, and I think we're handling NACS better now. We've added a few other goodies like text search as well.