Sigh. Yes, a long-time owner and shareholder speaking truthfully about the past and current state of Tesla’s autonomous driving must obviously be a “short”, and furthermore “angry”.
What leads you to believe I’m angry? I love my car. I’ve put 120,000 drama-free miles on it. I’ve just outgrown the need to convince myself that Tesla can do no wrong. They flat-out suck at certain stuff and I’m not shy to talk about it.
I don’t doubt your claims about using Navigate on Autopilot. I do think you’re exaggerating your car’s ability to complete a reasonably long multi-freeway drive, during normally busy traffic conditions without intervention. And I do think that anyone claiming with a straight face that NoA as it exists today is less stressful than managing things yourself is deep into confirmation bias territory, trying to convince themselves as to the value of their purchase.
So, this will be my last post related to this thread, as it feels a bit futile - as you seem pretty dug in, and that’s fine (for u).
First, glad you like your Tesla and that you’ve derived enjoyment from it. I share that with you.
I think you misconstrue my posture, as I don’t think Tesla incapable of wrong, at all. Or, that they are perfection, or that there aren’t things that need betterment with FSD, or the Company more broadly, or that I’ve some rosy colored glasses view of FSD that is fan boy and can’t see past fan boy ideology where they can do no wrong. Lol, Um..No.
I’ve had Tesla products for years and am well familiar with what the execute on really well and what they don’t.
Where Auto-Pilot/FSD is concerned, I’ve a) zero incentive or reason to delude myself, or b) talk up something incongruent with my actual experience. I’m not being paid or incentivized to say any of this.
I’ve claimed and resolutely stand by my earlier statement - wherein I claim that in “my eperience”…a, b, and c are true. That’s it.
In this, while there are times the navigate on auto pilot gets it wrong, my opinion is based upon the fact I’ve driven from OC to LA Co hundreds upon hundreds of times and I state, as an absolute (as I’ve done it) that it can be done with zero intervention (save the nag).
Are there times where lane changes within that aren’t perfection and you look like an idiot (because the car is driving to slow or won’t make the transition)?…sure.
On the flip though, many many times I’ve been wholly impressed with how lane changes have evolved and become more and more human like.
is it ready for prime time without error or needing to pay attention to what it’s doing?
No, but I (and anyone who bought it) knew that going in.
For me, it’s both fun and new and nothing anyone else has and at times, despite your proclamation that it cannot be, many times (for me) it is in fact something that makes my drive LESS stress inducing and more peaceful (actually…Particularly in slow traffic).
I do sometimes (depending on conditions) prefer to use auto pilot without the navigate on auto pilot feature, but that said, I use both, but am elective in what I use where and under what conditions.
Depending on the iteration, FSD’s tendency to rock back and forth within a lane, or at higher speeds, edge over more than you’d want? Sure. Get bugged when those things happen.
None of those imperfections and slowness in evolution invalidate what I’ve said and claimed and experienced.
When I spoke not knowing if you were “Short” or what your underpinning reason was for the super strong “anti” posture, it was because I didn’t know/don’t know, but it comes across as “angry man” and somehow wronged and in that, we just see differently what Tesla has and is doing and in where they’re going with it and in what their likelihood is of mounting success.
I think they’re going to continue to iterate and they’ll keep getting it more and more right and while I don’t have a timeline on if/when that translates to actual autonomy, I’m WAY ok with experiencing the various iterations along the way, without additional cost for me. For me, that translates to value I’m both good with and that is fun/cool/entertaining/exciting/worth it ans something No One else has…and ALL of that is “value” to me.
You’ve a different view. Um..Ok.
So, in summary, not impacted/worried 1% (or a percentage of a percentage) if you find that incongruent with what you want to believe is my real world experience, as your “truth” doesn’t doesn’t need to be mine.
I was just sharing my real world experiences with the car and its features.
I wish you well in your travels with Tesla and their imperfect (yes) but Amazing products.