Absolutely yes. But some number of people will pay it, and that will likely make the share price increase, which will make me happy. But it's absolutely not worth $10k yet, and might never be worth $10k to me. But I paid much less, so it makes no difference to me.
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Is $10K too much?
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Absolutely yes. But some number of people will pay it, and that will likely make the share price increase, which will make me happy. But it's absolutely not worth $10k yet, and might never be worth $10k to me. But I paid much less, so it makes no difference to me.
Daniel in SD
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I was talking about the Model 3 in particular being a bad robotaxi (my head hits the glass in the rear seat! My knees are in my face. The door handles would be hard for drunk people to operate. The doors do not automatically open and close. Etc.). I would much rather ride in a Model Y or the GM/Cruise Origin.
It will definitely be a profitable business, for the company making the software and hardware. Note that Tesla requires the use of their network if you use your car as a robotaxi.
Didn't people who got 2.5 and paid for FSD, not EAP, get the HW3 upgrade free of charge?
I didn’t even think about the handles. Both inside and out are weird and require explanation to most people. I can’t imagine what a drunk person getting into a driverless version would do if they were in the back and didn’t notice the little button. They might freak out and kick out the window.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Yeah, but most of them paid $3k more than the people who got EAP, and they purchased the same feature set up front (meaning all these people, EAP & FSD, had exactly the same functionality at the time of purchase, and indeed, the same until ~earlier this year or whenever the traffic light stuff, etc. came on line).
I'm just saying it wasn't a free upgrade. You just paid for it in advance. EAP owners don't get upgraded!
OK that was before my time here, so I didn’t know the ins and outs of that deal. What I was referring to as "free" was that they didn’t have to pay extra at the time the hardware was actually installed. I don't think HW4 will be that way. I think even if you pay $10K for FSD next Thursday you'll still have to pay extra to upgrade to HW4 whenever that's released. Only way they're offering that upgrade for free is if they determine that it's impossible for them to deliver on their advertised functionality with HW3, which seems unlikely based on current beta.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
No explanation needed if you don’t get stopped. (Which if FSD is doing what it is supposed to — when it comes..you won’t.)
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Deploy caltrops and oil sprayers for windscreen.It would be cool to see how FSD handles a pit maneuver
I think if a cop sees you sleeping in the drivers seat you might still get pulled over
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
That’s a lot of hypothetical. In any case it should go without saying that you shouldn’t operate a vehicle while impaired.
$10k is way too much and it doesn't transfer to your next Tesla. Need a monthly subscription alreayd.
Cheburashka
Active Member
Did ya'll in this thread come from Priuses where cruise control was standard?
10K isn't a huge amount at all for this option.
Shop around what other manufacturers are asking for their ADAS packages. 10K isn't big at all..
Yeah it used to be 5K before but also the cars were way more expensive.
10K isn't a huge amount at all for this option.
Shop around what other manufacturers are asking for their ADAS packages. 10K isn't big at all..
Yeah it used to be 5K before but also the cars were way more expensive.
Tam
Well-Known Member
Others don't sell driverless features yet but they do sell L2 ADAS or Tesla Autopilot on freeway equivalent.
For 2020 Cadillac CT6, Super Cruise became standard on higher trims.
Now, Super Cruise costs $2,500 in 2021 Cadillac Escalade Premium Luxury Platinum and Sport Platinum while the basic ADAS (mainly Smart Cruise, Reverse Automatic Braking, Enhanced Automatic Emergency Braking...) is included ($3,650 for lower models or $6,150 total).
There's a $25/month connectivity fee after 3 years of a free trial but the Smart Cruise and Autosteer still work if you don't pay after 3 years but you do lose updated maps and GPS corrections for hands-free driving.
Cheburashka
Active Member
What's the price difference between a base model Escalade and the cheapest one with Super Cruise? That's what makes sense to compare.
Cheburashka
Active Member
Base Escalade is 76K, to get Super Cruise you need to get the Premium Luxury package which brings the cost up to 83K, and then the tech and super cruise packages that add another 6K.
So the price difference between the cheapest Escalade (Luxury package) and one with Super Cruise is 11K.
So the price difference between the cheapest Escalade (Luxury package) and one with Super Cruise is 11K.
By that logic it actually costs $76,000 because technically you could get a Chevy Spark for $13k and would need to upgrade all the way up to an Escalade Premium to get super cruise.
Tam
Well-Known Member
Super Cruise is affordable for lower models which need 2 costs:
1) Driver Assist & Tech: $3,650
2) Super Cruise: $2,500
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Total $6,150
Like a lot of folks on the fence with the FSD upgrade at $8,000 going to $10,000 soon I was wondering what the value of the upgrade would be from the insurance coverage (premium and payout in case the car was totaled)
Call to my insurance (Progressive) and I was told they do show that the software upgrade is listed as an option for the car.
No changes to my policy would be required if I upgraded, but at the time of a claim the fact that the car was equipped with FSD would be noted (proof required at time of claim, which shouldn't be a problem as Tesla account would have that).
Good so far...
So I asked how the value of FSD would be determined if a claim was filed
That would be determined by the adjuster
Ok, could I call claims to get a hypothetical claim amount
Nope (could call but they wouldn't be able to give you the info)
But you can go on Kelly Blue Book site to see what that option would be, that is some of the type of information the adjuster would use
Ok, did that
Here is Kelly Blue Book value for my car
Trade in $42,316 (Autopilot only)
Trade in $43,570 (Autopilot and FSD)
While the values from KBB may be debatable in the real world the take away for me is their value for FSD is $1,254
Doesn't give me much hope on recovering much of the $8K on insurance claim if I upgraded before the price increase.
Still on the fence...
My car
2019 M3 Long Range Dual Motor, Grey w/ black interior, 18" aero wheels, 19,000 miles
East central Illinois location
Call to my insurance (Progressive) and I was told they do show that the software upgrade is listed as an option for the car.
No changes to my policy would be required if I upgraded, but at the time of a claim the fact that the car was equipped with FSD would be noted (proof required at time of claim, which shouldn't be a problem as Tesla account would have that).
Good so far...
So I asked how the value of FSD would be determined if a claim was filed
That would be determined by the adjuster
Ok, could I call claims to get a hypothetical claim amount
Nope (could call but they wouldn't be able to give you the info)
But you can go on Kelly Blue Book site to see what that option would be, that is some of the type of information the adjuster would use
Ok, did that
Here is Kelly Blue Book value for my car
Trade in $42,316 (Autopilot only)
Trade in $43,570 (Autopilot and FSD)
While the values from KBB may be debatable in the real world the take away for me is their value for FSD is $1,254
Doesn't give me much hope on recovering much of the $8K on insurance claim if I upgraded before the price increase.
Still on the fence...
My car
2019 M3 Long Range Dual Motor, Grey w/ black interior, 18" aero wheels, 19,000 miles
East central Illinois location
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