This is probably the most realistic outlook. For every Model Y, there's an alternative cheaper (By half) ICE car with decent MPG (30mpg+) but the question, what's next? Will you enjoy driving an MY more than a $20K econoICEbox? Maybe, maybe not.
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How much do I save in fuel costs over ICE? A lot, but at times it really depends....
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I think when he meant by average car is more on the affordable range, like the Hondas/Toyotas versus all new cars and averaging that. I could be wrong but there are definitely a lot of cars that can be had for half the price of a Model Y that gives you the 30mpg+. Are they comparable to an MY, some bits and pieces, maybe.
Honestly, I enjoy driving my Subaru Ascent more than the MY. The Ascent is far smoother and easier to drive. The controls are all buttons and knobs so no touchscreen controls. Sightlines in the Ascent are far better than in the MY. And driving down the freeway on a long trip, the Ascent is also far more comfortable and seats my 3 kids with far more room. The MY is for my wife to shuttle the kids around town.
I'm in the Sierra Foothills and Superchargers are bloody expensive during peak hours! Pricing does seem to be all over the place depending on which supercharger you go to however. $1.00/min is pretty expensive. It usually takes about 30 min to go from 20% to 80% SOC, so that would be about $30 but that is of course, is Cdn loonies, so it probably works out close to what we pay here in NorCal given the exchange rate. The problem for us is the MY energy consumption is quite high when you load it up with 3 kids, dog, wife, roof box, and a ton of luggage, all while driving 70-80 mph with the AC or heat on.
It was only $1.00 minute for 2 minutes. Most of it was 33-66 cents. I pulled in with like 10%, and charged up to 90%. It only costed $21 canadian, which with the exchange rate that day, works out to $16 USD. I had two kids, the wife, and a grandma with me, and still have a roof rack on, as well as full luggage for a week trip.. I'm even running on upsized non-oem tires. I usually drive +10, so that means I too was driving 70-80, with the AC/Heat on as well... You are overthinking things... The drive to BC from the Bay area is not that bad. I've done it a few times in the Y already. If you are that concerned about price, you can always get a CCS adapter, and use EA. I've done that on the trip to BC before as well... With Pass+ it's only 31 cents kwh. I didn't try using CCS in Canada, becuase there weren't any that were faster than 50kw near where I was.
Well we are going to take the MY this summer regardless. My in-laws have an outlet in their garage that I can charge from. And even at 110V, being I generally don't drive huge distances unless I'm traveling to AB, trickle charging is enough for our daily run around trips around Vancouver/Richmond. PlugShare shows that the nearest supercharger in Richmond is $0.81/min for the fast charger. So I suspect you're correct about the true cost to charge there given the exchange rate. We drive this route at least once or twice every year up the west coast to BC and we also sometimes go from BC to AB. Given the price of gas in BC, hopefully the Tesla will yield some savings. At least I can trickle charge at my in-laws, who get a BC Hydro discount due being seniors.
Gas in Richmond was $2.02/litre, so it's close to $6 USD/gallon right now.
That supercharger in Richmond is busy AF. Luckily the turnover was fast so I never had to wait. But even when I pulled in at 2:30 in the morning the 20 stall SC was nearly full. One time I went to the SC near downtown Vancouver, that's in a parking garage at the mall. That one the supercharger was always empty, prob cus you have to pay for parking. But there was a wall of destination chargers too directly across from the SC which I think was free, I didn't look closely, as I was trying to get to a show.
It’s actually $8 per kW of solar capacity installed (or maybe inverter capacity - I don’t know). But it isn’t $8 per kWh produced.
What’s the difference? $8 per kW on a 6 kW system is $48 per month. $8 per kWh produced by that same system in a month would be $4,000 (rough assumption of 6,000 kWh generated per year divided by 12).
Weird. I eat at Shanghai River a lot, which is directly across the street from that SC and usually it's fairly empty. The SCs in downtown Vancouver are mostly lower power chargers. Fortunately because I can trickle charge at my in-laws, I don't think we'll be needing the SC very often unless we take a big trip out of town.
Yeah gas is really expensive there. Gas Buddy shows $1.92/litre right now, which converts to $5.48 USD/gal based on $1.327 Cdn = $1.00 USD exchange rate. It's weird that almost every station's gas prices are exactly the same.
Yes, it's capacity based on kWh. It's still an additional and ridiculous fee that people are going to get soaked with.
Was that during the week, or the weekend? When I went on a Wednesday it was empty, but from Friday thru Sunday it was packed at seemingly all hours.
Both, but this is mostly during the summer, when a lot of the folks are gone. All those rich kids from China and HK with their Lambos and Ferraris are gone for the summer lol.
Lordy. New car prices are ridiculous. I think most of that is driven by the ridiculous markups on cars as we all went through Covid. My neighbors paid $5K over sticker price for a Hyundai Elantra, a car that would have never sold for more than $1000-500 under sticker price just a few years ago. I know someone else that paid $3K over sticker for a base model KIA, it was either the K5 or Forte, not sure.
But as Kokukenji sauys, I'm really thinking of the more affordable range when I say "average new car." Sorry for not being more informed and more clear. And shoot, after I wind up with the necessary coilovers and wheels, my MYP is closing in on double laservet's average. Trying not to think about that. Lalalalalala!!!!
I wonder what the average price is when you take out all of the $65K+ bro-dozer F150/250, Dodge RAM, Chevy Silverados that are wildly popular and yet entirely unnecessary for most purchasers. I mean, you *could* have to run through a puddle in the mall parking lot...
And no, I don't *need* an SUV that'll do 0-60MPH in 12 parsecs or something like that. Some of my purchase is grounded in helping make EV technology more mainstream. It's the future, it'll help everyone.
We watch several e shows on UTube--"Fully Charged" is the best, in my opinion. The UK seems way ahead of us here in the US in adressing this issue with alot of level 2 chargers at steet sites throughout cities. My impression is that in the UK, in general, most folk don't have access to home charging at all.--lots of problems with parking...But they are working on it. And some European countries, like Germany, have created fabulous EV charging venues with restaurants and bathrooms and rest areas installed. I think we have to change our view about cars and driving here. I love America but we are still in the rough rider, old West shoot em up mentality as far as switching to alternative fuels. I am 76 so have seen alot and driven alot of cars and love my Tesla, though have a reservation on a RIVIAN. It's happening. And I think vehicles like Rivian and the Ford Lightning truck are helping to change peoples' minds. Just saying....
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I took a trip from San Francisco to Reno and back Oct 21st-23rd, 2022. Including some local driving here and in Reno I went around 506 miles. Charging at superchargers and EA the total cost was around $50.00. My old F25 X3 would have gotten about 21 mpg or so. I didn't pay attention to the exact price of gas but it was hovering close to $6 a gallon at the time. My gas cost would have been around $144.00. Superchargers in Reno are .23 kw not matter what time of the day. I used the ones at the Atlantis and El Dorado hotels. The auburn sc was .43kw. EA was .31 cents per kw. I didn't charged a lot at EA but did so to check out the speed with my CCS adapter. It wasn't that fast even with their 350kw chargers in Auburn. I was at 60 percent, so that could have been the reason.
edit - Reno weather was somewhere in the 50's in the day and 40's in the evening. Sunday was the coldest and it was in the 30's in the morning. The rest of the trip the weather was moderate. My speed varied but mostly 75 plus when in the left lane and 70 in the other lanes. The trip to reno took six and half hours. That included a short break in Davis and a charge break in Auburn. Lots of traffic - SF to Richmond took about one and half hours and there were two accidents near Davis and right near each other.
edit - Reno weather was somewhere in the 50's in the day and 40's in the evening. Sunday was the coldest and it was in the 30's in the morning. The rest of the trip the weather was moderate. My speed varied but mostly 75 plus when in the left lane and 70 in the other lanes. The trip to reno took six and half hours. That included a short break in Davis and a charge break in Auburn. Lots of traffic - SF to Richmond took about one and half hours and there were two accidents near Davis and right near each other.
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More accurate to consider the total cost per mile.
Ev vs ICE.
total cost of ownership will include capital cost of purchase, cost of the capital (loans), cost of maintenance. The cost of
Ive done the sums out to 10 years - ICE is cheaper total cost of ownership per mile
This is of course not a reason to not get an EV.
Ev vs ICE.
total cost of ownership will include capital cost of purchase, cost of the capital (loans), cost of maintenance. The cost of
Ive done the sums out to 10 years - ICE is cheaper total cost of ownership per mile
This is of course not a reason to not get an EV.
Apart from the bumpiness of the ride, I enjoy the Cruise Control on my Model 3, 2020. Love not having to use my brake or gas---just letting the car drive itself. I have not yet used the FSD, even though we paid for it, because we didn't pass the trial. Now I hear it is supposed to be available to everyone?? Anyway, I don't see myself going back to a gas guzzler.
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