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SW2Fiddler
We Are Cognitive Dissidents
snellenr
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purplewalt
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Okay, that "shame on you" might work with regular folks.
But you are talking about:
#1. Politicians
#2. Car Dealers
Do you think either of them give a scintilla about professional or personal ethics?
The idea of them acknowledging shame, well... smh.
This just in:
The house isn't starting its session until 2PM, but the Licensing hearing won't start until closer to 4-5PM. It's rumored that HB1653 is one of the last of the 13 bills being presented tomorrow, so we'll be providing testimony in the early evening. Maybe they're saving the best for last?
Either way, I'll be there to testify. Can we as Tesla owners come up with a rally point where we can gather? I know we have parking spots on Colorado between 11th and 12th, but should we use that area?
The house isn't starting its session until 2PM, but the Licensing hearing won't start until closer to 4-5PM. It's rumored that HB1653 is one of the last of the 13 bills being presented tomorrow, so we'll be providing testimony in the early evening. Maybe they're saving the best for last?
Either way, I'll be there to testify. Can we as Tesla owners come up with a rally point where we can gather? I know we have parking spots on Colorado between 11th and 12th, but should we use that area?
stephenpace
VIN S00219
Report from the House committee hearing today:
The good news is the chair announced there would be no vote on any of the 13 bills being presented today. The bad news is when they do vote, we'll go down in flames. It was a sickening 1 1/2 hours to watch. Afterwards I went up to Diarmuid O'Connell (Tesla VP) and said as a Texan I feel the need to apologize for my state. Some of the committee were practically testifying agains the bill. I didn't know which side of the podium they were on. One even thanked an auto dealer speaker for his service to NADA. After hitting every pro-Tesla speaker with questions intended to make the speaker look bad, or embarrass supporters about how much the cars cost, there wasn't one hard question for any of the speakers against the bill. It was a lovefest between them and the committee. The chair introduced one of the auto dealers as being a member of his Rotary Club, etc. And the lineup against the bill was impressive-- GM, Alliance of Auto Manufacturers (the auto manufacturer trade group), Texas Association of Business, an economist shill who doesn't know what a monopoly is and should have his economist card revoked, TADA, Gulf States Toyota, and 2 or 3 dealers, I lost track. Oh, and Easter Seals came out against the bill! (If it might hurt the auto dealers, then we're against it because they give x million dollars to us). She actually said that.
Diarmuid said this was the worst GM ever hit them. I saw GM testified in Maryland against their bill even after the auto dealers reached a compromise and supported it (it's on You Tube, basically if we have to have dealers, they should have to have dealers), but he said this was much worse in emphasizing GM's economic impact in Texas.
Someone from Tesla, I forgot who, said maybe Sen. Fraser will stop blocking the bill in the Senate now and let them have the hearing when they hear how bad this one went for Tesla. If that happens we do need a longer list of people testifying in support. Five (Diarmuid, an economics professor, a free market think tank person, and two owners) wasn't enough for our side. Also Tesla needs a more concise economics professor who can get his points across in 3 minutes and not be surprised when the timer turns red.
The good news is the chair announced there would be no vote on any of the 13 bills being presented today. The bad news is when they do vote, we'll go down in flames. It was a sickening 1 1/2 hours to watch. Afterwards I went up to Diarmuid O'Connell (Tesla VP) and said as a Texan I feel the need to apologize for my state. Some of the committee were practically testifying agains the bill. I didn't know which side of the podium they were on. One even thanked an auto dealer speaker for his service to NADA. After hitting every pro-Tesla speaker with questions intended to make the speaker look bad, or embarrass supporters about how much the cars cost, there wasn't one hard question for any of the speakers against the bill. It was a lovefest between them and the committee. The chair introduced one of the auto dealers as being a member of his Rotary Club, etc. And the lineup against the bill was impressive-- GM, Alliance of Auto Manufacturers (the auto manufacturer trade group), Texas Association of Business, an economist shill who doesn't know what a monopoly is and should have his economist card revoked, TADA, Gulf States Toyota, and 2 or 3 dealers, I lost track. Oh, and Easter Seals came out against the bill! (If it might hurt the auto dealers, then we're against it because they give x million dollars to us). She actually said that.
Diarmuid said this was the worst GM ever hit them. I saw GM testified in Maryland against their bill even after the auto dealers reached a compromise and supported it (it's on You Tube, basically if we have to have dealers, they should have to have dealers), but he said this was much worse in emphasizing GM's economic impact in Texas.
Someone from Tesla, I forgot who, said maybe Sen. Fraser will stop blocking the bill in the Senate now and let them have the hearing when they hear how bad this one went for Tesla. If that happens we do need a longer list of people testifying in support. Five (Diarmuid, an economics professor, a free market think tank person, and two owners) wasn't enough for our side. Also Tesla needs a more concise economics professor who can get his points across in 3 minutes and not be surprised when the timer turns red.
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purplewalt
Active Member
I just read TexasEV's account (above) of what transpired today @ the House Committee hearing in Austin.
Easter Seals are pulling for the Auto Dealers... really???
Ugh.
So I guess Tesla may need to start over again at square one.
Texas Politicians are bought and paid for, no doubt about it.
And that surely holds true for legislators from other states also, but Texas legislators are just more pompous and overt about their shenanigans.
Important thing for Tesla is to keep their head up, retain their integrity and continue to do well in the market place.
The Texas Legislature meets (is in Session) every other year.
Perhaps Tesla should focus their short-term energies on educating, collaborating, negotiating and winning in other states.
Easter Seals are pulling for the Auto Dealers... really???
Ugh.
So I guess Tesla may need to start over again at square one.
Texas Politicians are bought and paid for, no doubt about it.
And that surely holds true for legislators from other states also, but Texas legislators are just more pompous and overt about their shenanigans.
Important thing for Tesla is to keep their head up, retain their integrity and continue to do well in the market place.
The Texas Legislature meets (is in Session) every other year.
Perhaps Tesla should focus their short-term energies on educating, collaborating, negotiating and winning in other states.
I think an outside observer might have viewed today's hearing as amateurs going up against the pros. The pros were the dealers and their representatives (it was hard to tell them apart sometimes). Notice i said their representatives, not the representatives. The dealers were introduced as constituents of various members of the committee.
SW2Fiddler
We Are Cognitive Dissidents
Then maybe it's really a matter of framing it better. The People will root for an underdog.
And what am I, then? Chopped liver?
OK down to the heart of the matter:
I wish now I'd arranged to be there to hear it.
Was any part of the bill (it's really short, after all) actually cited as being detrimental to auto dealers? It only opens a limited (VERY limited, 12 stores!) portal for competition, only for car brands that have no franchises. Period. No change to the dealers' union protected 'endangered species' status. We could hit this point surgically.
Or is it that the cardinal sin is just talking about it? (Violating the first rule of fight club?) If so, "more light, more light" is useful.
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SW2Fiddler
We Are Cognitive Dissidents
Here is the house testimony from yesterday.
Licensing & Administrative Procedures - Apr 13th, 2015
HB1653 comes up at the 34:16 mark.
We did witness an oddity around the 12 minute mark. Jay knows what I'm talking about
Licensing & Administrative Procedures - Apr 13th, 2015
HB1653 comes up at the 34:16 mark.
We did witness an oddity around the 12 minute mark. Jay knows what I'm talking about
I feel so helpless in this situation, obviously email/calling is not working. Are we really going to have to wait for the third try two years from now? I really can't stand this state's ass backwardness. Yes, there is frustration in that statement.
spc
Member
Aaaghhhh!!!
i wonder if the amount they get from the dealers is more then what they will loose if we just spread on all social media available that they are against free enterprize and fair trade and that they can be bribed into taking up issues not related to their charteer.
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